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		<title>By: Leo</title>
		<link>http://www.bhagwad.com/blog/2009/personal/pretentious-crap-that-pisses-me-off-3-examples.html/#comment-11174</link>
		<dc:creator>Leo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 10:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could be wrong, but from my reading it appears that you don&#039;t like anything that isn&#039;t spoon-fed and wrapped up in a neat little bow for you to understand. That&#039;s fine. I have no problem with you disliking any of the things you listed, but to assume that anyone who does like them is &quot;pretentious&quot; and &quot;seeing nothing&quot; is, quite frankly, pretentious. You are on the exact opposite spectrum of snobbery, saying &quot;because I don&#039;t understand this, it&#039;s obviously garbage, and anyone who see&#039;s value in this is a snob!&quot;

There is a piece of art called &quot;The Physical Impossibility of Death in the Mind of Someone Living&quot; that&#039;s essentially a shark in a giant case of formaldehyde. I think it&#039;s complete and utter bullshit, but it sold for millions of dollars. Even I get tired of someone staring at it saying &quot;oh the shark is so aggressive and we sort of imagine it coming at us, thinking of our own death, and a denial of the notion of death as a symbol in and of itself. Can we understand the deadness as a shark?&quot; No, this was a man who thought putting a dead shark in a case of formaldehyde would appeal to art snobs like you, and consequently made him millions of dollars. These people have their head so far up their own ass, I&#039;m surprised they can enjoy anything.

But, having said that, what you&#039;re doing is just as bad.

Some people like Van Gogh because they stare at his paintings and feel moved. Who are you to say that because you think his paintings are childish, that it&#039;s the only outcome possible for other individuals? People who see the technical mastery in film should keep their opinion to themselves, but your opinion should be spread freely unto the world? What makes yours more valid than theirs? Art is a subjective experience. I can clearly explain the entire 2001: A Space Odyssey movie to you from beginning to end, including what the narrative meant and what Kubrick was trying to say. I could say you&#039;re an idiot for not getting it, but I&#039;m not a snob, so I nod and smile and move on.

I can understand the gist of what you&#039;re trying to say, but this post is a complete disaster in logic.

Why are you crusading against pretentious snobs when clearly, you are one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could be wrong, but from my reading it appears that you don&#8217;t like anything that isn&#8217;t spoon-fed and wrapped up in a neat little bow for you to understand. That&#8217;s fine. I have no problem with you disliking any of the things you listed, but to assume that anyone who does like them is &#8220;pretentious&#8221; and &#8220;seeing nothing&#8221; is, quite frankly, pretentious. You are on the exact opposite spectrum of snobbery, saying &#8220;because I don&#8217;t understand this, it&#8217;s obviously garbage, and anyone who see&#8217;s value in this is a snob!&#8221;</p>
<p>There is a piece of art called &#8220;The Physical Impossibility of Death in the Mind of Someone Living&#8221; that&#8217;s essentially a shark in a giant case of formaldehyde. I think it&#8217;s complete and utter bullshit, but it sold for millions of dollars. Even I get tired of someone staring at it saying &#8220;oh the shark is so aggressive and we sort of imagine it coming at us, thinking of our own death, and a denial of the notion of death as a symbol in and of itself. Can we understand the deadness as a shark?&#8221; No, this was a man who thought putting a dead shark in a case of formaldehyde would appeal to art snobs like you, and consequently made him millions of dollars. These people have their head so far up their own ass, I&#8217;m surprised they can enjoy anything.</p>
<p>But, having said that, what you&#8217;re doing is just as bad.</p>
<p>Some people like Van Gogh because they stare at his paintings and feel moved. Who are you to say that because you think his paintings are childish, that it&#8217;s the only outcome possible for other individuals? People who see the technical mastery in film should keep their opinion to themselves, but your opinion should be spread freely unto the world? What makes yours more valid than theirs? Art is a subjective experience. I can clearly explain the entire 2001: A Space Odyssey movie to you from beginning to end, including what the narrative meant and what Kubrick was trying to say. I could say you&#8217;re an idiot for not getting it, but I&#8217;m not a snob, so I nod and smile and move on.</p>
<p>I can understand the gist of what you&#8217;re trying to say, but this post is a complete disaster in logic.</p>
<p>Why are you crusading against pretentious snobs when clearly, you are one?</p>
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		<title>By: John Leaf</title>
		<link>http://www.bhagwad.com/blog/2009/personal/pretentious-crap-that-pisses-me-off-3-examples.html/#comment-10809</link>
		<dc:creator>John Leaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys are all a bunch of retarded, opinionated losers who act as if they are really intelligent to cover up the fact that you&#039;re all lonely and you need a new hobby. You guys disgust me. :) Smile at that, assholes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys are all a bunch of retarded, opinionated losers who act as if they are really intelligent to cover up the fact that you&#8217;re all lonely and you need a new hobby. You guys disgust me. :) Smile at that, assholes.</p>
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		<title>By: KM</title>
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		<dc:creator>KM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 20:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen!! This kind of B.S. is what has ruined my college experience. As a video major, I had to watch tons of stupid films and write long papers analyzing them, just because the professors liked them. God forbid we actually learn a career in college and learn how to DO something. 

It&#039;s ridiculous that my major included four production classes and countless B.S. classes, including pointless made-up courses for the major, pointless Gen-Eds, and &quot;writing intensive&quot; courses where the writing isn&#039;t what&#039;s valued, it&#039;s the ability to pull B.S. out of nowhere and &quot;create a thesis about Michaelangelo&#039;s sonnet and use examples to support your argument&quot; which is not even a question. If I weren&#039;t two classes from graduating, I&#039;d drop out.

We need to get rid of this fake &quot;intellectual&quot; snobbery and start focusing on actual intelligence. This is why our country has become a nation that consumes everything and produces next to nothing. We outsource everything and colleges no longer teach people how to do a job. Thus, the government has to support people, and eventually down the road you get communism. Seems like kind of a stretch, but it&#039;s not.

I&#039;d rather go back to the days when intelligence was measured by KNOWLEDGE and SKILL, not the ability to B.S. stupid conversations to &quot;seem smart&quot;. These &quot;academic&quot; airheads can keep their pretentious, substance-free crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen!! This kind of B.S. is what has ruined my college experience. As a video major, I had to watch tons of stupid films and write long papers analyzing them, just because the professors liked them. God forbid we actually learn a career in college and learn how to DO something. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s ridiculous that my major included four production classes and countless B.S. classes, including pointless made-up courses for the major, pointless Gen-Eds, and &#8220;writing intensive&#8221; courses where the writing isn&#8217;t what&#8217;s valued, it&#8217;s the ability to pull B.S. out of nowhere and &#8220;create a thesis about Michaelangelo&#8217;s sonnet and use examples to support your argument&#8221; which is not even a question. If I weren&#8217;t two classes from graduating, I&#8217;d drop out.</p>
<p>We need to get rid of this fake &#8220;intellectual&#8221; snobbery and start focusing on actual intelligence. This is why our country has become a nation that consumes everything and produces next to nothing. We outsource everything and colleges no longer teach people how to do a job. Thus, the government has to support people, and eventually down the road you get communism. Seems like kind of a stretch, but it&#8217;s not.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather go back to the days when intelligence was measured by KNOWLEDGE and SKILL, not the ability to B.S. stupid conversations to &#8220;seem smart&#8221;. These &#8220;academic&#8221; airheads can keep their pretentious, substance-free crap.</p>
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		<title>By: E</title>
		<link>http://www.bhagwad.com/blog/2009/personal/pretentious-crap-that-pisses-me-off-3-examples.html/#comment-9415</link>
		<dc:creator>E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2011 16:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see a lot of flaws in your thinking. While it is your right to freely believe whatever your heart desires, you seem to be hypocritical. I don&#039;t know you personally, so I&#039;m going to go by what you wrote, you yourself seem to have some kind of inferiority complex. Please, don&#039;t take offense, although I can&#039;t blame you if you do, but the fact that you conceived and wrote this particular piece shows your ego has been hurt/damaged in some fashion. I don&#039;t know what motivated you to write this, but I can&#039;t help but think that you are coming from an irrational, extremely subjective place. First, you go on to offend critics, &quot;artsy&quot; people, etc.. etc.. You reduce Citizen Kane to a &quot;dump of a movie&quot;, which is your opinion, not fact. These statements lower you to the exact types of &quot;snobby&quot; people you passionately hate, very ironic indeed. In your comments, you state that critics who list Citizen Kane and such movies at the top are wrong, and the movies/literature &quot;average people&quot; like, are right. You say, &quot;It shows us a fundamental disconnect between what some people THINK good books should be and what we as readers KNOW the good books are&quot;. So what you&#039;re saying is that the so called &quot;critics&quot; and people who&#039;s whole lives are dedicated to the art of films/literature THINK it&#039;s good, but the so called average people KNOW it&#039;s good. In other words the average people are right by some god given knowledge and the people who rank Citizen Kane, 2001, Ulysses, are just flat out wrong. Isn&#039;t that the definition of pretentiousness and so called snobbery? This is double standard at it&#039;s finest. And you state &quot;most people prefer a good story....not hidden messages(symbolism, allegory...)&quot;, what do you know about &quot;most people&quot;, have you met everyone in the world. How do you know what most people like. And if you say their is such a divide between &quot;average/most people&quot; and &quot;critics/analysts&quot;, have you ever thought the other way around, maybe their is nothing wrong with the critics, but the average people. Maybe, just maybe, &quot;average people &quot; aren&#039;t striving to be intellectual, therefore they fail to understand said art? I&#039;m not implying anything, I&#039;m just simply showing how hypocritical and extreme your rationale is. And how I can easily flip your argument the other way around using identical arguments. Lastly, while it&#039;s your right to do whatever, you shouldn&#039;t trash things simply because you find it &quot;boring&quot; or you just can&#039;t understand it. Their are many intelligent people who devote their lives to your so called &quot;pretentious art&quot;, people who love the material, study it, debate it, and discuss it. Without knowing the history of  said art such as film, paintings, literature etc... you really shouldn&#039;t make such provocative claims and call it &quot;bullshit&quot;. Take a step back, and really think about what you wrote, and what you are claiming. Don&#039;t get me wrong, I&#039;m not debating your intelligence, it&#039;s clear you are an educated and intelligent individual. But, that should make you all the more inclined to be open minded.  Life itself isn&#039;t straightforward and doesn&#039;t have a clear meaning so why should anything else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see a lot of flaws in your thinking. While it is your right to freely believe whatever your heart desires, you seem to be hypocritical. I don&#8217;t know you personally, so I&#8217;m going to go by what you wrote, you yourself seem to have some kind of inferiority complex. Please, don&#8217;t take offense, although I can&#8217;t blame you if you do, but the fact that you conceived and wrote this particular piece shows your ego has been hurt/damaged in some fashion. I don&#8217;t know what motivated you to write this, but I can&#8217;t help but think that you are coming from an irrational, extremely subjective place. First, you go on to offend critics, &#8220;artsy&#8221; people, etc.. etc.. You reduce Citizen Kane to a &#8220;dump of a movie&#8221;, which is your opinion, not fact. These statements lower you to the exact types of &#8220;snobby&#8221; people you passionately hate, very ironic indeed. In your comments, you state that critics who list Citizen Kane and such movies at the top are wrong, and the movies/literature &#8220;average people&#8221; like, are right. You say, &#8220;It shows us a fundamental disconnect between what some people THINK good books should be and what we as readers KNOW the good books are&#8221;. So what you&#8217;re saying is that the so called &#8220;critics&#8221; and people who&#8217;s whole lives are dedicated to the art of films/literature THINK it&#8217;s good, but the so called average people KNOW it&#8217;s good. In other words the average people are right by some god given knowledge and the people who rank Citizen Kane, 2001, Ulysses, are just flat out wrong. Isn&#8217;t that the definition of pretentiousness and so called snobbery? This is double standard at it&#8217;s finest. And you state &#8220;most people prefer a good story&#8230;.not hidden messages(symbolism, allegory&#8230;)&#8221;, what do you know about &#8220;most people&#8221;, have you met everyone in the world. How do you know what most people like. And if you say their is such a divide between &#8220;average/most people&#8221; and &#8220;critics/analysts&#8221;, have you ever thought the other way around, maybe their is nothing wrong with the critics, but the average people. Maybe, just maybe, &#8220;average people &#8221; aren&#8217;t striving to be intellectual, therefore they fail to understand said art? I&#8217;m not implying anything, I&#8217;m just simply showing how hypocritical and extreme your rationale is. And how I can easily flip your argument the other way around using identical arguments. Lastly, while it&#8217;s your right to do whatever, you shouldn&#8217;t trash things simply because you find it &#8220;boring&#8221; or you just can&#8217;t understand it. Their are many intelligent people who devote their lives to your so called &#8220;pretentious art&#8221;, people who love the material, study it, debate it, and discuss it. Without knowing the history of  said art such as film, paintings, literature etc&#8230; you really shouldn&#8217;t make such provocative claims and call it &#8220;bullshit&#8221;. Take a step back, and really think about what you wrote, and what you are claiming. Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I&#8217;m not debating your intelligence, it&#8217;s clear you are an educated and intelligent individual. But, that should make you all the more inclined to be open minded.  Life itself isn&#8217;t straightforward and doesn&#8217;t have a clear meaning so why should anything else?</p>
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		<title>By: Guido</title>
		<link>http://www.bhagwad.com/blog/2009/personal/pretentious-crap-that-pisses-me-off-3-examples.html/#comment-8804</link>
		<dc:creator>Guido</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2011 17:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry... You are just a moron</description>
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		<title>By: L-Methionine Dosage</title>
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		<dc:creator>L-Methionine Dosage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2010 22:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am a movie addict and i watch a lot of movie in just one night, the greatest movie for me is Somewhere In Tome &#039;,*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am a movie addict and i watch a lot of movie in just one night, the greatest movie for me is Somewhere In Tome &#8216;,*</p>
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		<title>By: bhagwad</title>
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		<dc:creator>bhagwad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2010 16:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess there &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; lots of ways to to say something. Most people, don&#039;t want to hear anything other than a good story. They&#039;re not looking for hidden meanings and self improvement. Of course, the two are hardly exclusive. Good story tellers can easily weave their message into the plot.

Naturally I can&#039;t have anything against those who want more than &quot;just a plot&quot; but I&#039;m pretty tired of the same people arguing that their method is better. Why else would &quot;top 100&quot; books lists have horribly boring stuff like Ulysses on it? In the List of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Library_List_of_Best_20th-Century_Novels&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;best 20th century novels&lt;/a&gt;, the editor&#039;s list didn&#039;t even have &lt;em&gt;LOTR&lt;/em&gt; on it, whereas the readers list put it at No. 4. What does that tell us? It shows us a fundamental disconnect between what some people &lt;em&gt;think&lt;/em&gt; good books should be and what we as readers know the good books &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess there <em>are</em> lots of ways to to say something. Most people, don&#8217;t want to hear anything other than a good story. They&#8217;re not looking for hidden meanings and self improvement. Of course, the two are hardly exclusive. Good story tellers can easily weave their message into the plot.</p>
<p>Naturally I can&#8217;t have anything against those who want more than &#8220;just a plot&#8221; but I&#8217;m pretty tired of the same people arguing that their method is better. Why else would &#8220;top 100&#8243; books lists have horribly boring stuff like Ulysses on it? In the List of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Library_List_of_Best_20th-Century_Novels" rel="nofollow">best 20th century novels</a>, the editor&#8217;s list didn&#8217;t even have <em>LOTR</em> on it, whereas the readers list put it at No. 4. What does that tell us? It shows us a fundamental disconnect between what some people <em>think</em> good books should be and what we as readers know the good books <em>are</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: jim wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2010 04:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in a lot movies books, art, music, there is a lot more going on than just the plot or main action.not trying to be pretentious, but the elements beyond the plot are more interesting to some people, myself included, but not all people.  and there are naturally many ways to tell a story, convey a message, or do anything, art included.  dont knock a pretty description that lasts for 40 pages as a piece of crap that someone wrote because they love hearing themselves in their head, or an &quot;uninteresting&quot; panorama of almost random clips, a 8 hour movie of just a field, silent movie with videos of the city, timelapsed, a 20 minute droning song, etc.. because most of the time, if not all of the time the artist, just by virtue of being one because if you really dont have anything you want to say or feel needs to be brought out of the inner depths of your soul, you would not become an artist, there is a reason for it to be done. even the most meaningless of things, if labeled art, or presented at all, has something beyond the surface. like if i presented a picture of just one pixel of my face, the fact that i did it could show that i have no respect for photography, want you to blow it up, that im just one thing among a sea of others, or that as the pixel blurs elements of yourself blend into the surroundings, millions of things, but i do understand that those types of things arent interesting to everyone, and try not to be a jerk about it when i get frustrated that no one else seems to think like i do about things.  i also try not to hate on those who watch things only for the plot elements even when theyres a lot of stuff that I see going on beyond that, but ill occasionally get heated about it and sound pretentious but it happens to everyone when theyre frustrated, clearly whatever inspired this article got to you pretty good, and for showing the same type of closed thinking as these so called pretentious art wannabes,just in the other, better direction, you shouldnt condescend to them just like they apparently have to you.

what do you have to say about all the people who start watching action movies and jump on the bandwagon and love certain complex plot stuff,  deep down because its cool, and dont want to say they watch alot of &quot;art movies&quot; for fear of being labeled pretentious, are they also pretentious? or is there a bit of a double standard going on here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in a lot movies books, art, music, there is a lot more going on than just the plot or main action.not trying to be pretentious, but the elements beyond the plot are more interesting to some people, myself included, but not all people.  and there are naturally many ways to tell a story, convey a message, or do anything, art included.  dont knock a pretty description that lasts for 40 pages as a piece of crap that someone wrote because they love hearing themselves in their head, or an &#8220;uninteresting&#8221; panorama of almost random clips, a 8 hour movie of just a field, silent movie with videos of the city, timelapsed, a 20 minute droning song, etc.. because most of the time, if not all of the time the artist, just by virtue of being one because if you really dont have anything you want to say or feel needs to be brought out of the inner depths of your soul, you would not become an artist, there is a reason for it to be done. even the most meaningless of things, if labeled art, or presented at all, has something beyond the surface. like if i presented a picture of just one pixel of my face, the fact that i did it could show that i have no respect for photography, want you to blow it up, that im just one thing among a sea of others, or that as the pixel blurs elements of yourself blend into the surroundings, millions of things, but i do understand that those types of things arent interesting to everyone, and try not to be a jerk about it when i get frustrated that no one else seems to think like i do about things.  i also try not to hate on those who watch things only for the plot elements even when theyres a lot of stuff that I see going on beyond that, but ill occasionally get heated about it and sound pretentious but it happens to everyone when theyre frustrated, clearly whatever inspired this article got to you pretty good, and for showing the same type of closed thinking as these so called pretentious art wannabes,just in the other, better direction, you shouldnt condescend to them just like they apparently have to you.</p>
<p>what do you have to say about all the people who start watching action movies and jump on the bandwagon and love certain complex plot stuff,  deep down because its cool, and dont want to say they watch alot of &#8220;art movies&#8221; for fear of being labeled pretentious, are they also pretentious? or is there a bit of a double standard going on here?</p>
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		<title>By: Conrad.J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conrad.J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2010 13:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotta disagree on Heart of Darkness.  </description>
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		<title>By: George Carlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Carlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2010 20:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with your statement about pretentious crap that flood in our world, especially the wine-crap. Im actually reading about &quot;Michel Foucault&quot; books right now, and I must said he is one pretentious cocksucker (quote from George.C), people like him should just burn and throw in a gay pile and raped by them. (In Foucault case he may like it)  
 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with your statement about pretentious crap that flood in our world, especially the wine-crap. Im actually reading about &quot;Michel Foucault&quot; books right now, and I must said he is one pretentious cocksucker (quote from George.C), people like him should just burn and throw in a gay pile and raped by them. (In Foucault case he may like it)  </p>
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