It never fails to shock me how a tip is demanded in the US. People simply refuse to listen to reason when we (yes, there are others!) tell them that leaving a tip isn’t necessary. Well, I’m hoping for too much here, but if you’re a waiter, here are 5 reasons why I will try my best not to give any money to you and why the reasons for tipping are crappy.
1. You act as if you’re my best friend
Just leave me alone ok? I don’t want to bloody chit chat with you. I want food. FOOD! Get it? It’s a restaurant. I go there to eat. I go because I want either Italian food, Chinese Food or something else which I can’t get in a McDonald’s. So I come to a restaurant to fulfill my cravings for it. I will pay for what I value – food. Not you.
Christ, you offend me – kneeling down next to my table, pretending to like me and chatting as if you’re my best friend when it’s obvious that all you’re after is the tip! I’m not a bloody money bag you know. I will pay the bill which includes the cost of the food, the environment and the salaries of the people involved – nothing more.
The only way to get money out of me that I don’t have to legally pay is by prying it out of my cold dead hands…
Bottom line: I don’t want to know your name, or interact with you for any longer than I have to in order to place my order. As far as I’m concerned, you’re the equivalent of a conveyor belt that brings me my food and a computer into which I input my order. Of course, I won’t be rude. But don’t expect me to interact with you any more than I would with some stranger.
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2. You don’t get paid enough
And this is my problem how exactly? It’s astonishing that customers are expected to make up for your employer’s cheapness in not paying you a decent wage. Please include the full cost in everyone’s bill thank you very much. I’ll pay it because I have to and the charge is there for me to see.
What’s really funny here is that no one seems to criticize the employers! All criticism is reserved for non tipping customers instead of the owners of the restaurant for not paying a decent wage. Wtf! Could it possibly be because you guys know you can make much more by tips and under report your income to the IRS?
3. You’ll spit in my food if I don’t tip you?
And I’ll shoot your kid if you don’t give me a million dollars. Seriously, am I even hearing this right? You’re actually using the threat of blackmail to make me pay you? Well as long as you’re openly claiming to be a criminal it’s all right I guess.
Fortunately that’s why I prefer buffets. Listen apart from it being illegal, this shows your poor integrity. But if you spit in someone’s food because they didn’t give you money you didn’t earn, then you’re a loser and deserve to be a waiter for the rest of your life.
4. Bringing me my food isn’t worthy of being paid extra
Did you cook it? Did you invent it? No. You picked it up and brought it to me. While it might not be easy, there are plenty of jobs which are much worse – shop floor workers for example. And I’ve been a shop floor manager, so I know. Face it – compared to other jobs, being a waiter is unskilled. You get paid what the market will think your services are worth. You don’t deserve more for your work over and above what your employer should pay you.
5. Money doesn’t grow on trees
I expect you to be grateful and pray for me at night if I tip you 10%. Be happy I gave you anything at all. I worked for the money in my wallet and by giving you some I didn’t have to, I’m doing you a favor. Learn to remember that when people give you something they don’t need to, it’s a favor. You don’t complain that they didn’t give you more!
By the way, the same thing above applies to all professions that demand tips including those on cruise liners.
So now that you understand why I won’t give you money you don’t deserve, stop with the “oh how could you?” attitude. I can. And I will.
Update: Here’s a rebuttal of the many silly justifications for tipping that people have given in the comments section.
Tipping is just the right thing to do. One can come up with a million different excuses not to, but at the end of the day, they’re still just excuses. If you can’t afford to tip a few bucks, don’t go out. I hear a lot of misanthropic server haters claiming that servers are “entitled” because they expect a reasonable tip. Oh, the irony that they don’t see their own sense of entitlement. They should be able to go out for a nice meal without having to skate a few bucks to their server. Entitled. What a laugh.
In reply to Irony
So why is this special treatment meted out only to waiters? Just look how your arguments sounds if you apply it to other situations:
“They should be able to shop at Walmart without having to skate a few bucks to their cashier. Entitled. What a laugh.”
You see?
In reply to bhagwad
Because, like it or not, the Federal Government in all its infinite wisdom (obvious sarcasm is obvious) has decided that in the restaurant industry it would allow for below minimum wage rates because they’re balanced against tips. That is why waiters get this special treatment.
In reply to Irony
And to be completely honest, I would tip a cashier at WalMart if they did an exceptional job and could accept it (corporate policy dictates that they cannot). That doesn’t have to make sense to you, but it does to me.
In reply to Irony
No one prevents restaurant owners from paying a fair wage to their waiters. Likewise, no one forced a waiter to negotiate such a low rate of payment.
In reply to bhagwad
You sound removed from the reality of modern low-wage American employment. One doesn’t negotiate anything. You get raked over the coals and hope a few scraps get thrown to you at the end.
Do you believe that the government should step in to enforce a minimum wage for service people? If not, I am sure you’re educated enough to know that no business (of their own accord) is going to pay its employees more.
In reply to Irony
That’s odd – I can swear that most people do in fact make more than minimum wage. You make it sound as if the entire country is living on $7.29/hr.
In reply to bhagwad
Seriously Bhagwad, stop comparing Walmart employees to Waiters. We’ve already been over this. The 2 jobs are totally different. A walmart employee does not serve you. They scan your items and send you on your way. Nothing more, nothing less. A walmart employee is compensated for their work through their wage, a waiter is not.
So comparing a walmart employee to a waiter is like comparing chocolate ice cream to grass. No relevance.
Seriously, your comparisons SUCK. Choose another job that is at least somewhat RELEVANT to waiting before you compare the two.
But by this blog, it’s obvious you have NO CLUE about what a Waiting job entails. So I guess I shouldn’t expect you to understand how different it is from a Walmart job.
FYI, if you filled in “walmart” and “cashier to the sentence in which you did, it would not be equal to a waiter. Waiter=Serves you and tends to you MORE than just giving you a bill, cleans up after your mess, occasionally prepares your food and beverages. So a Waiter is a Cashier X10, with a fraction of the compensation of a Cashier.
It IS your choice at this point in time not to tip, but stupid and senseless excuses and comparisons you try to use to justify it are just that, STUPID AND SENSELESS.
In reply to Brittney
The specific differences in the jobs of a waiter and a Walmart employee are irrelevant since they both knew what they signed up for when they took the job. Even if they worked 22hrs a day and got just a 5 minute break in between is none of my business is it? They signed up for it!
In reply to bhagwad
That is irrelevant if they were aware of their job before they signed up for it.
MY STATEMENT was that you are comparing the two saying “WELL, I DON’T TIP THE WALMART STAFF SO WHY SHOULD I TIP THE WAITER?”
I was not saying that the waitstaff don’t know what they are signing up for. I was not saying anything about if they get breaks or how many hours they work.
I was simply saying how in fact the 2 jobs are completely DIFFERENT and comparing them is like comparing socks to sunshine.
They are both THINGS, but that’s just about it. Just like a Walmart Cashier and a Waiter are both JOBS, but that’s about it as far as comparisons.
The job description, the wage, and the economic and expectation for this country is different in the 2.
So you’re right, their job descriptions are NOT your business, but if you’re going to compare the 2, at least make sure they are COMPARABLE in the first place. You’re comparison is broad.
That is like me comparing your writing, whether it be through years of practice or college education, to that of a First Grader. Topic at hand: Writing. That is very vague, and other than that, the 2 should not be compared any further. Same thing with a Walmart job and a job in the Service Industry. They go no farther in comparison.
In reply to bhagwad
And as long as you are comparing the 2 jobs, their differences are absolutely NOT irrelevant.
In reply to Brittney
There are relevant differences and irrelevant differences. Irrelevant differences include the color of their hair, the clothes they wear, and in this context, the actual work they do. They both signed up for the job at that salary knowing full well what they were getting into.
For the purposes of this discussion (they signed up for their job at a specified compensation), the two are perfectly comparable.
In reply to bhagwad
They both signed up for the job at that salary knowing full well what they were getting into.
Yes, they did, and part of that salary is PAID IN TIPS. That is the expectation of all wait staff and is conveyed as such by the employer. Do you not actually listen to reason? Do you believe your bullshit so completely that it has blinded you to reality?
In reply to Brittney
Brittney, I think it would be much better to leave him with his personal choice of not tipping a waiter. As I mentioned earlier that by not tipping, he may come across as a discourteous jerk, but being a jerk is not illegal. If you read other articles written by him here, you would understand that it is absolutely useless trying to reason with him. Obviously, as you mentioned, there is a big difference between the jobs of a waiter and a cashier. But as he is used to arguing on ridiculous comparisons, you never know what he will come up with next. Maybe he will talk of not tipping an engine driver while travelling on a train.
This bloke probably missed something on route growing up and tries to apply theorems from the maths book to solve problems of life. And he seems to relish his delusion of his high intellect. So, I guess it is much better to let him be even if he is so adamant to come across as a jerk. In fact I would support him to exercise his personal choices in tipping as even I believe that not tipping is not illegal. Though I personally like to tip and add it with a ‘thank you’ to the person serving me, I would not demand that he does the same. As I said, its his choice to be a jerk and he is entitled to it. It would be better if you bang your head on a wall rather than try to reason with him. :)
In reply to Nik
Oh trust me, I entirely agree that it is his choice. What drives me loco though is his poor comparisons that he tries to use to excuse his behavior or attitude on why he doesn’t tip.
He won’t just admit he is stingy with his money. He doesn’t care if someone else is serving him to ALSO work for their money. Legal requirement gives him the right not to care.
But to see him repeatedly compare tipping waitstaff to tipping other random professions is absolutely annoying and ludicrous.
Or comparing the fact that it’s culturally accepted and a custom to the Arab custom of mistreating women.
Or even more, using the excuse that figuring out a tip is some sort of STRENUOUS WORK for the consumer.
His comparisons and excuses for his actions blow and are absolutely DRAMATIC.
It’s like someone getting a paper cut and saying they cut off their hand with a butcher knife.
Compare a square to another square, not to a circle or triangle, ya know?
If he would just say “YUP, I don’t tip because I’m cheap and don’t give 2 damns about the people around me,” than all fine and well. He’s a cheap inconsiderate asshole, and we have a right to believe so because of his actions.
But someone can only use the same excuses (And BOGUS excuses which I successfully proved at that) before someone can say something.
If he has valid reasons, he needs valid support. As a writer, he should know this. Anytime you have a stance on a subject, especially on a controversial subject, you need to be able to support your statement. You need to be able to give valid reasoning behind it.
And his reasons are preposterous. Every person who comments here, he repeats himself.
“I don’t tip Walmart employees.”
“It’s a foreign custom to mistreat women, so should I do that too?”
And as I’ve said and proved my points:
Walmart employees, REGARDLESS OF WAGE, do not take part in serving the consumer. The consumer shops for themselves, gets their own shit and even unloads their own shit onto the conveyer belt for the convenience of the Walmart staff to only pick it up and scan it. They give them a total, bag their shit (the customer loads their own stuff in their cart) and the customer pushes their items out themselves. They are not SERVING the customer, so what exactly here would the Walmart employee be tipped for???
Walmart Employee is not equal to a tipping a Waiter who actually DOES serve the individual customer.
And as far as customs-
As I’ve said. Dramatic much? The American custom of tipping is because we know (and most of us care) that the waitstaff are providing a service and are not compensated for doing so by their employer. Is this necessarily OUR problem, as the consumer? No. But that doesn’t stop us from being understanding and decent people. The custom is in place to pay for a service that is not compensated, right or wrong. It is not in place to HURT anyone.
Yet he compares it to a custom of holding back or mistreating women. A custom that has no foundation and is of pure hate.
But yes, he can do as he pleases. He doesn’t HAVE to care about who he hurts. He doesn’t HAVE to pay for the service he voluntarily uses. At this point in time, he is allowed to abuse the system because of a stupid technicality. But he shouldn’t think that we can’t see through his poor excuses and reasons, and it’s all he has because he keeps repeating the same pathetic points.
But for the purpose of what you are comparing the two, their job descriptions DO matter. You are comparing why shouldn’t you ALSO then tip a Walmart employee, and the job description is the reason.
A Walmart employee does not serve you, a Waiter does. A Walmart employee doesn’t tend to your needs, but runs the establishment by scanning items and ensuring no theft, or stocking shelves. They do not specifically tend to the customers or shop for them, or push their shopping cart for them. They do not provide a service.
So actually, you are right, there are things in common and things different.
But for what you are comparing, the things that are different make all of the difference in your comparison.
In reply to Brittney
If we were discussing the difficulty of the work, then yes the job descriptions matter. If we were discussing the working condition, then yes the job descriptions matter.
But we’re discussing whether or not a person who has agreed to be paid a certain wage by an employer has the right to demand compensation for third parties for doing the job they are paid to do. And for that, the job descriptions do not matter.
The waiter does not serve me. The restaurant serves me using the waiter as a proxy. The waiter is just the appendage – the arm of the restaurant.
In reply to bhagwad
Bhagwad, you are completely missing the point. The whole reason why I commented in the first place was in response to you comparing tipping a waiter to tipping a Walmart employee and using it as a justification or some sort of reasoning.
I am NOT talking about the wages agreed upon between the staff and their employer. I am not talking about whether or not they have the right to demand compensation.
I AM talking about the differences in the jobs and WHY (regardless of the wage, etc) it is common to tip a waiter and not common to tip a Walmart employee.
For your comparison and usage in comparing them, their job descriptions DO matter.
One job is in the SERVING industry, and directly serves you and caters to your every whim and need. The other is there to run the establishment and send you on your way. You take care of yourself at Walmart. You pick up your own belongings and lug them around. You give them to the Cashier to scan for THEIR convenience. YOU are not of value to the cashier. They are there to make sure you pay for your items, that’s it.
Waiters tend to you.
The job descriptions are the ANSWER to what you keep saying:
“Why then don’t I also tip the Walmart employee?”
BECAUSE A WALMART EMPLOYEE DOES NOT SERVE YOU.
A WAITER DOES.
^^^^
THE JOB DESCRIPTION MATTERS EVERY SINGLE BIT IN YOUR COMPARISON.
In reply to Brittney
The waiter doesn’t serve me. The restaurant does. The restaurant pays the waiter to serve me. And that’s why the waiter’s job is irrelevant. They only do what the restaurant tells them to do.
In reply to bhagwad
Again, you are going completely off point. You are asking why do you not tip a Walmart employee, also. As if there are no differences in a Walmart employees interaction with customers and a Waiters. I explained the differences in the 2 jobs, and how one would sensibly call for a tip and the other would not, because their is next to no interaction between the customer and Walmart employee. THAT is why you cannot accurately compare tipping Walmart employees to tipping Waiters.
And although this is irrelevant to my original point, I’m going to say it anyway.
A Waiter in fact does serve you. Are you aware of their alternate job title? If so, you’re aware that they are also called SERVERS. Do they serve the restaurant? No. They are employed minimally BY the restaurant to serve CUSTOMERS. They make a couple bucks hourly just for proof of employment by the restaurant, but are expected to make the majority of their wages by serving the customer.
A restaurant is an entity, it is a business. It is not something that can perform any type of physically labor in itself. The people working at the establishment provide the service, not the establishment itself.
If you go to a restaurant and sit down to eat, and there are no servers, than the restaurant can still provide you the service? NO. It cannot. Without the waiters, there is no service. Therefore, the WAITERS provide the service and are employed by the restaurant, with both the restaurant and the waitstaff under the agreement that the common American custom of tipping will pay the majority of their wages. Right or wrong, doesn’t matter. That’s the way the system works.
The restaurant provides you with the food and atmosphere, that is it. They do not provide you with the SERVICE of the waitstaff, or at least not without the belief that you understand the custom of paying for the service which is not compensated on their part.
I am not saying it is right, but you understand it as clear as day that the waitstaff live off of tips. And it is indeed your choice not to tip. But it is pretty shitty to know how the system works and still take advantage of the system and waitstaff.
Would you also steal jewelry from behind a counter just because no one was looking? Would you also keep a wallet full of money that you found lying of the floor, just because you weren’t legally obligated to turn it in?
Stealing service is still stealing service, whether or not a legal requirement is involved.
You found a loophole and, although you understand the system, you use it to your benefit, regardless of who you hurt around you.
Just because you CAN get away with something, doesn’t mean you should. And even if you DO, it doesn’t make it justifiable when your only excuse is “I CAN AND I WILL.”
That is shallow and cold. And you have the right to be both of those things. You have the right to be selfish, and a prick, and cheap.
That is the beauty of living in this country. You have the right not to tip, but why try to make up every excuse in the book as to why you shouldn’t tip instead of just getting to the REAL point?
That you are cheap and are taking advantage of a flawed system.
I agree that there are problems with the way things are, but you only add to the equation and hurt people when you decide not to tip. Not to even leave a dollar. I’m not defending the 10% rule, or 20 0r 15 for any matter. I am defending tipping at least SOMETHING.
Your choice not to tip hurts people.
You are hurting people emotionally, leaving them questioning why you were not pleased with the service they provided.
You hurt their employment. Many bosses will scold their waitstaff if they do not receive adequate tips. They will punish them, but giving them less hours, or even firing them depending on how many customers like YOU they get. By law, YES, the employer has to ensure their staff is making at least minimum wage, but should it ever get to that point where they have to compensate them for tips you did not leave, many will undoubtedly fire the employees, as they will see the employees as not providing adequate service.
And you hurt many people financially. You aren’t required to tip, but when you sit in someones section and take up their table, and they invest energy and time into serving you, they are essentially working for free, because at the end of your meal, you won’t tip them. That $5 tip you didn’t leave could have been left by someone else who could have sat in their section had you not been there.
Point being, if you don’t want to tip, that is your right. No one can force you to be a decent person. But stop using pointless excuses for your actions and just be real.
YOU DONT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THE WAITER. YOU ARE CHEAP. YOU DON’T PAY SIMPLY BECAUSE OF A LEGAL LOOPHOLE.
In reply to Brittney
Why is interaction between the customer and the employee at all relevant? It’s not.
“They are employed minimally BY the restaurant to serve CUSTOMERS.”
Good. That means they’re just doing their job. Nothing more. Just like I do my job that I get paid for.
“They make a couple bucks hourly just for proof of employment by the restaurant, but are expected to make the majority of their wages by serving the customer.”
Sorry but wage negotiation is between the employer and employee. You can’t negotiate someone else’s behavior at the time of employment.
“If you go to a restaurant and sit down to eat, and there are no servers, than the restaurant can still provide you the service? NO. It cannot. Without the waiters, there is no service.”
Tell me, if you give me something do I think you or do I thank your hand that have me the gift? The answer (of course) is you. Your just used your hand to give me something. The hand is not important. The person is.
Waiters are the hands and legs of the restaurant. No credit goes to them. So it is the restaurant that serves me. Not the waiters.
“The restaurant provides you with the food and atmosphere, that is it.”
That is not it. They are also to ensure that the food reaches the table. And to prove this, the waiters are paid a salary and a wage! The fact that the waiter negotiated a low wage is not my business! They could work for free for all I care.
This is about standing up for yourself and doing the right thing by refusing to engage in the unethical practice of bribery called tipping.
In reply to bhagwad
I will comment on the rest of your response later, but I am short on time so I will leave with this final statement.
“This is about standing up for yourself and doing the right thing by refusing to engage in the unethical practice of bribery called tipping.”
You cannot half ass stand up and do the right thing. If you choose not to engage in the practice, that includes 100% of it, which includes even partaking in the custom of eating out which is what calls for tip.
So if you’re going to stand up and do it right, than don’t eat out at all.
In reply to Brittney
Depends on what you find wrong no? I don’t find eating out wrong. So I eat out. I find tipping wrong. So I don’t do it.
What exactly is the problem here?
In reply to Brittney
Haven’t commented in a while but Brittney, I think you are just a mindless robot. You just can’t think independently. Robots can’t think independently. They have a set of commands they know and follow only those commands nothing else.
Woman, let me make something crystal clear to you now and I MEAN NOW! Just because a rule is in place, does not mean it is a good rule. If there is a rule that is clearly harming somebody directly or indirectly, it it our obligation not to follow it, undermine it, amend it, or abolish it. Do you understand that? Or are you too stupid because you glorify everybody being on demand ATM machines?
So tipping is causing the receiving parties expecting tips beggars. Then it reverberates to the customer because he is considered a cheapskate if he doesn’t subscribe to this theft scheme. Why don’t restaurants pay the workers decent money? Because they can get away with it knowing that I as an on demand ATM machine will foot the bill for labor.
You woman, are one mindless fool. End of story.
In reply to Dan
Okay, before you go throwing insults, analyze your OWN ignorance first.
Firstly, I didn’t comment because every time I tried, the website wouldn’t go through. So I quit trying. I’m figuring the glitch in the website corrected itself though?
And what leads you to the conclusion that I am a “mindless robot” or am incapable of thinking independently? What commands am I following but am incapable of nothing else? Because I am a tipper? But, to be considered to a robot, I would have to tip an exact percentage, I’d have to be extremely particular of every aspect of tipping. Which I’m not. So comparing me to a “mindless robot”…. Poor comparison, dude.
“Just because a rule is in place, does not mean it is a good rule.”
No shit… even though the majority of rules, at least in our country, are for sensible reasons. Laws are rules, too. They are in place for a purpose.
” If there is a rule that is clearly harming somebody directly or indirectly, it it our obligation not to follow it, undermine it, amend it, or abolish it. Do you understand that?”
Excuse me, but if you want a respectful response of intelligent demeanor from me, than start by talking to me as an adult. Not trying to “break things down for me” like a 3 year old. And as far as that statement goes, again… NO SHIT. If there is a “rule” that is harming someone, of course we should not follow it. But tell me, what is tipping a couple bucks to your waiter harming? It isn’t harming them, and shouldn’t be harming you, either. NOW, if you are so poor that leaving a couple dollars tip seriously is HARMING YOU, than dear friend, I would advise for YOUR BEST INTEREST that you don’t dine out, because you obviously can’t afford it. So bringing up a “harmful rule” is pretty damn irrelevant to the subject of tipping. Because I’m not buying for a single second that tipping your waiter is hurting you or anyone else.
” Or are you too stupid because you glorify everybody being on demand ATM machines?”
Well… What an ignorant statement. Paying for a service that you are using that is NOT compensated is not me calling everyone “on demand ATM machines.” It’s called using common sense, not taking advantage of a corrupt system, and not being cheap with your money and stingy just because you have a legal loophole that allows you to be.
“So tipping is causing the receiving parties expecting tips beggars.”
Again. Ignorant statement. Someone who provides a service for you and expects money in return is not a beggar. It is called a working citizen. Whether or not you leave a tip, they will be expecting it. They took the job under the social understanding that most of their wages will be made up in tips. So for you to compare waitstaff to beggars is unreal. Beggars don’t work for their money, waiters do.
“Then it reverberates to the customer because he is considered a cheapskate if he doesn’t subscribe to this theft scheme.”
Let’s clarify something. Whether the tip is optional or is demanded on the bill (which some places do), it is not STEALING money from the customers. It is payment for a service that you voluntarily used when you stepped inside of the Establishment and sat down in a Waiter’s section. It is a payment that most of the time, you have the option to opt out on. And that IS your choice. But don’t mistake that just because it is an option to tip, that leaving a tip is leaving FREE money or it’s stealing money from you.
“Why don’t restaurants pay the workers decent money?”
Because it allows the restaurant to make a larger margin on profit and they know most of the time their waitstaff will be able to make up their own money in tips. I never said I agree with the system, but it’s how it works. If waiters were to try and take a stand and demand reasonable wages, they could easily be replaced or fired for some bogus excuse, and the industry could find other willing people in need of jobs who would be willing to take an unstable wage and not fight it. After all, have you seen our economy? More people needing good jobs than there are good jobs available.
“You woman, are one mindless fool. End of story.”
Think what you want. But you OBVIOUSLY are oblivious to the reality of what tipping is and why it is in place. You are the only mindless one here, or if you DO have a mind, you put it to poor use, because this whole response was complete wishy-washy nonsense that had no support to any claims you’ve staked at all. If you want to point fingers and try to sound like you make sense, give supporting evidence. Throwing around insult with no proof as to how you came to such conclusions makes it pretty damn hard to take you seriously. End of story. :)
In reply to bhagwad
“The waiter doesn’t serve me. The restaurant does.”
Weird.. I’ve never seen a big, brick building fetch a side of ranch dressing.
In reply to Valerie
Already explained. It’s like me thanking your hand when you give me something instead of you. The hand is unimportant. Similarly, the waiter is unimportant.
In reply to bhagwad
Can’t really hand you something without my hand, there buddy. So, i’d say the hand is important.
In reply to Valerie
The hand is just the means to an end. It’s a tool. The hand receives no thanks separately from the person to whom it belongs.
Think about it.
In reply to Valerie
bhagwad, ever heard of something called a handshake ??
I guess you never shook anyone’s hand when you meet someone cordially. Because you are actually being cordial to the person, so why shake his hand separately. Right ? You would rather shake the whole person instead of just his hand.
Think about it. :)
In reply to Purple Cloud
But who do you look at? Handshaking a mechanical act. Similarly, being served is a mechanical act. You’re actually “shaking hands” with the restaurant. Not the waiter.
Thanks for proving my point.
In reply to bhagwad
Now suddenly, the comparison becomes different because “shaking hands” is a mechanical act. So now you see the pointlessness of your whole comparison of a restaurant with a person and a waiter with a hand ?? :)
You cannot “shake hands” with a person without interacting with his hand. Can you ? My point is, why use the hand when you are being cordial with the whole person ? As you say, the hand is unimportant. :)
You really are hilarious !!
In reply to Purple Cloud
On the contrary, they are almost the same. Thank you for proving my point that an interaction with a waiter is exactly like handshaking – mechanical. The waiter is just a hand. Nothing more.
The only difference is that shaking hands accomplishes nothing practical. The waiter serves a practical purpose. Which is why giving a present is a more accurate analogy than handshaking.
Still, thank you for helping the people here to understand my point.
In reply to bhagwad
In any case, if waiters and waitresses are so “unimportant”, I’d like to see you get a meal served without them.
Tipping as we Americans do it is stupid. If I order expensive wine and you order cheap wine, explain why should I leave a larger tip for the exact same service you received with your cheaper bottle. Why I should be penalized at a resturant for speading more money? Why should I leave less of a tip when I order water as my beverage instead of unhealthy sodas?
Tipping has evolvec from 10% to 15% and even 25% in some places, which is BS. I eat a home because I like to cook and resturant food is very expensive. Add a tip and and very expensive.
Most servers in the US are knocking down over $20 an hour in tips for a low education job and bitching about it.
In reply to Tdg
Tdg,
Exactly, tipping is BS. It is interesting how some people reason argue – if you can afford expensive wine then you can afford to pay 20% tip. The sense of entitlement is simply amazing.
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Great blog, Bhagwad. I entirely agree with your points. I used to tip well – experience taught me that tipping does not equal to good service. On multiple times, I was rushed through my meals even though I left very generous tips and the staff personally knew me.Not only tipping is a communist tradition but it also does not really work. If you want my money give me a bill – that is it. Kudos to you for standing your ground.
Brittney,
I believe that you are being unfair to Bhagwad. He is just trying to do what is right. Again you have not answered how is waiting is different from other low wage service jobs?
In reply to c1261367
Is it really appropriate to say someone is being unfair to Bhagwad? How many people is he being unfair to when he sits at their table in their section, uses their services KNOWING that they are not compensated for them through the establishment that he voluntarily eats at, and doesn’t care to even tell them that he has no intention of compensating them for their work, regardless of how exceptional their service provided to him is?
Bhagwad is unfair to every waiter that comes in contact with. He understands the expectation but does not even show the courteousness to tell his servers to give him minimal service because he has no intentions of paying for their time and effort.
If we’re going to talk about being FAIR, than let Bhagwad start being fair to others around him.
And in what way am I being unfair to him?
Taking advantage of people of the system just because you can is not considered doing what is “RIGHT.” It’s doing what you can get away with doing without penalty.
And I HAVE answered how waiting is different than other low wage jobs.
Other low wage jobs are required to pay at least minimum wage. Serving does not pay minimum wage. It pays on average about $2.13/hr in most places.
In reply to Brittney
Brittney,
1) You are accusing Baghwad in being cheap and I do not think this is fair. He is taking advantage of a system that benefits him, just like you are trying to take an advantage of the system that benefits you and there is nothing wrong with it.
2) It is misrepresentation that waiters make $2.13, in many states employer must pay minimum wage in case there were not enough tips.
3) I do not mind paying service charge – just make it clear. Just say – I want 20% from the bill. Why is it so hard?
In reply to c1261367
I’m just going to make the statement that the system does NOT benefit me because I am not a waitress. I am a consumer. A tipping consumer at that.
I am not taking advantage of someone else’s unfortunate wage, even though it is not my problem, its not right to do. I don’t agree with the system necessarily, but I’m not going to make a waiter suffer just because I don’t like the system.
Bhagwad understands the system but chooses to take advantage of it and take advantage of the people involved. It’s different if the person has NO CLUE about tipping, but Bhagwad clearly does, and chooses to STILL use a waiters service without voluntaring the information that he is not going to compensate it.
I know in some states and at certain establishments, the workers make minimum wage, but most of them don’t.
If Bhagwad wants to skip out on tipping, fine. That’s his right.
It’s his repetitive excuses that irk me. It’s the same old ones that I have debunked time after time, yet he continues to use them.
Why can’t he just admit that he is selfish and cheap. Even IF* the waitstaff didn’t “pretend” to be his friend, as he calls it, he still would not tip him.
Even if their wages were different, he still wouldn’t tip (not that he would need to)
My point is, even if his “5 Reasons He Won’t Tip” were changed, he still wouldn’t tip regardless.
He is set on not tipping, no matter the circumstance, simply because he is not LEGALLY required to.
He has made this clear time and again. Comment after comment.
Like damn. If you want to be cheap, be cheap. If you want to be an inconsiderate ass, be one. I just say do it honestly and stop making bogus ass excuses for your actions, and that is exactly what Bhagwad repeatedly does.
In reply to Brittney
Merely labeling an argument as “bogus” doesn’t make it so. There are many who (like me) realize that being a waiter is just another job. You say being a Walmart cashier is different that that serving is somehow on a different level. I disagree, and have given my reasons why.
In reply to bhagwad
And I have REPEATEDLY explained HOW the two jobs are different and why one would call for a tip and the other would not, and everytime I do, you change the subject or bring up an irrelevant point that had nothing to do with the “Walmart vs Waiting” comparison in the first place.
I am not simply labeling your arguments as “BOGUS”, as I have given reasons and support as to how they are in fact pointless arguments.
In reply to Brittney
Ok then what about jobs that do serve you directly then? Like room service, cab drivers, bus boys, airflight attendants etc.? Should they all be tipped as well? Some are tipped and some are not but most of these job descriptions make more than minmum wage (and some some good salries). Why is it discriminatory in that sense? Why is in “culturaly expected” for me to tip my cab driver?
I think the real argument (unless I’m missing something) is that we need to be considerate to people who are NOT making minum wage, which in this case would be the servers. But they DO make MINIMUM WAGE in EVERY state. I don’t know why this keeps getting over looked. If people don’t tip, the server doesn’t get hurt, the employer does because they’re required to cover the full difference. Sure they wont be making any more than minimum but the argument that they don’t get paid fairly is invalid (but I do beleive minmum wage should be the same for all jobs from the beggining).
Just to clarify though I personaly am a gernous tipper and I don’t mind at all. I wont screw somebody out of the their tip, I just don’t agree with the system. I don’t think the percentage system is fair at all. Theres no reason somebody should get a higher (or lower tip) because one bottle of wine is different in price than the other. It should be based on the quality of service.
But one thing I still don’t buy is that calculating tip percentage is a form of “work”. It’s not taxing to do that kind of math. You still must do your own math calculations no matter where you go. I don’t care if it’s McDonalds, Wal-Mart, or the Olive Garden, you still need to do your own math anyway. The subtotal doesnt come up until checkout… then all you have to do is some basic elementary school math (which is far easier than even adding and subtracting multiple goods). Calculating 10% is far less work than adding 12.34 + 17.99 + 54.22 etc. But yet we all still need to do math… everywhere. Why is it so taxing in this case?
In reply to Ryan
Well, as far as the other jobs you listed goes (room service, cab drivers, bus boys, airflight attendants etc.), I wouldn’t feel comfortable arguing their wages because honestly, I rarely use their services.
Rarely stay at hotels, and always clean up my own mess before I leave. The room looks in the same condition as when I arrived.
I have taken a cab maybe ONCE in my life.
Bussers are tipped out by the waiters.
And I have only flown twice in my life.
And I agree, the reason why NOT tipping is a big deal is because of the wages. The only people who are truly affected by NOT receiving tips out of the listed occupations is the Waiters.
And I actually am aware that even if the Waiters don’t make at least minimum wage, that their employers are required to pay them the difference. But just because it’s legally required doesn’t make the issue that simple.
Should a Waiter not be tipped repeatedly and it starts to interfere with their wages and the company has to step in, the company the majority of the time will not think “Oh, these customers won’t tip”, the will think “What is so wrong with this employee that the customers won’t tip them?”
The Waiter can face disciplinary action or even (on the more dramatic side) lose their job due to an excess of non tippers. If a Waiter doesn’t receive adequate tips, they will be viewed by the establishment as a failure at properly doing their job to the satisfaction of the customers. So yes, legal requirement WILL assure that they make minimum wage, should the situation call for that, but it will drastically affect their working relationship with the company that employed them.
The system is certainly flawed and I’m not disagreeing with that. But just because it is flawed does not mean that I am going to take advantage of it and hurt the people involved in it who are just trying to make a living for themselves.
And absolutely, I am not pushing for a certain percentage in tipping. I believe tipping a few dollars is better than tipping nothing. I agree that the tip expectation shouldn’t increase or decrease based on the value of your meal. Personally, I believe tips should be left based on how hard you work the server. Obviously, if I went somewhere and ate alone and required the servers attention maybe 3 times (To get my order, bring me my food, bring me my check), than I don’t feel that a large tip is needed. But if I bring a party with me, say 10 people, and we all make special requests and send our waiter for more refills and sauces, and we use more of her energy and time, than I certainly will tip quite a bit more. And surely, if I am provided poor service, the tip I leave will reflect that.
And the fact is, figuring a tip is NOT strenuous work as Bhagwad makes it seem. Bhagwad has the same 3 or 4 excuses and comparisons he uses to try to explain why tipping is so terrible and wrong, and every single one of them I have pinpointed and clearly showed how they are a load of crap. He has poor comparisons, poor support for his arguments, and it really comes down to the fact that he is simply being cheap and inconsiderate. He is taking advantage of a flawed system.
And in this country, it’s his right to do so. But if he’s going to do it, AT LEAST do it with an ounce of integrity and admit that REGARDLESS of how the waiter acts, or the service they provide, REGARDLESS of whether other occupations are tipped or not, or if other occupations make less than minimum wage. REGARDLESS of every argument he has stated, he will still NEVER tip until he is legally required to do so.
He isn’t fighting a TERRIBLE custom that is comparable to abusing womens rights.
He isn’t losing half of his fortune by tipping SOMETHING to people who are working for it.
He isn’t hurting himself by tipping, but helping people working for that tip.
Flawed system or not, his excuses are irrelevant. He understands the system clear as day, he understands the expectation, but chooses to take advantage of it and the people involved. And that drives me stir crazy.
Like damn. JUST ADMIT YOU DON’T CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE INVOLVED AT ALL AND YOU ARE CHEAP.
But he obviously is trying to defend an image of himself that he has soiled repeatedly in this blog. He refuses to just come out and say what he is, and instead tries to find every excuse or defense to say that he isn’t cheap or insensitive to the reality around him.
People like you and I are PROOF that just because you don’t AGREE with the system doesn’t mean you have to take advantage of it. And the people who do so are selfish, and the least they should do is either get “TO GO” or be fair to their waiter and tell them upfront that they have no intention of tipping them, that way the waiter KNOWS to give them the adequate service and attention that they can afford.
In reply to Brittney
Well that’s actually a very valid point. I can’t see a server lasting very long if they aren’t getting tipped. They’ll most certainly lose their job. I can’t think of any employer that would accept a server saying they didn’t make enough in tips. If you don’t tip, not only are you hurting somebody, you can even cost them their job too. I think the only real immidiate answer is to level out minmum wage. The fact the the government views tips this way is complete nonsense as it is. Tips should be veiwed the same as a bonus (they get taxed too).
I’ve heard a lot of people say that food prices would “double”, “tripple” and some other pretty inflated numbers. I don’t want to bring my job into this but as an area director I can promise that those figures don’t even make any sense. I can’t see prices increasing anymore than 10%. After all it is the same ammount as the tip. On a Profit and Loss statement food and labor tally up to 55% of revenue (some have higher labor anat asd lower food costs and vice versa all depending on the type food served mainly). To bring servers up to minimum wage does NOT affect those numbers that drasticly. A 4% labor increase hurts mind you but that’s the most it’s really going to be… So for food to take a 10% increase is still being dramatic.
But be all that as it may, that is not the way it works, as you have stated. Servers are getting paid a very low wage, and they only accept that because they are expecting tips. I think what the author is missing is that it’s not generosity. It’s still a service charge. It’s an HONOR SYSTEM. Just because they don’t actually print it on paper doesn’t mean that they aren’t expecting the charge. It’s supposed to be two things: 1.) Common knowledge and 2.) at your discretion. The author seems to think that adding percentages is hard labor when it’s not. It’s much easier than adding up things at the supermarket in your head… He also seems to think that juding service is taxing as well. This isn’t American idol. You just throw down whatever you think is fair and go home. Very simple to do.
However the philosophy in general I agree with and some of his point are valid. I say that I get the same service in China but to tell the truth it’s actually much better. There is no expectation and they dont take tips. They just show up and do work. No excuses, no BS, they are simply here for you. The food prices are higher but is is worth it.
But I think it’s the overuse of certain points that you have debunked is what makes me beleive that it is a matter of just a matter of him being cheap. I get the conveyor belt analogy because in a sense I agree. using Walmart though is a poor example (but there are better examples such as people who actually do serve you directly). But when we start calling it BRIBERY that’s not only crossing the line, it’s just downright being over dramatic. It’s just a service charge. It’s not on paper but it’s there. You just have the option to opt out which gives you freedom.
But also in his defense we’ve talked about “what” that servers expect and i have to admit the majority of servers are very demanding and they do expect too much. You should hear the things these people say in the back. It’s usually never anything nice. And they judge before they even start. If the table has younger people they’ll give them far less attention vs. a couple when they think the man will try and tip more to have a good face. And god forbit they don’t get at least 15% on a huge bill… It’s sickening to be honest. As far as that kind of expectation I 100% agree with him. I mean I get varying levels of service just depending on who I have joining me in the US. In China there is always somebody just around the corner I can flag down if i need something. In the US these people are only available when it suits them sometimes… I admit I tip out of guilt sometimes. And I NEVER get better service for tipping well. it’s probaly because the tip comes when the meal is over.
I still think the author is just cheap. Only because there is no happy medium. He makes a lot of valid points, and then invalidates them by following up with poor arguments like calling a service charge, bribery, just because it isnt written down.
But I do VERY much agree with Bhagwad about this “American way” argument that redleg keeps making. That argument has no substance whatsoever (no offense). I’m a Marine (and yeah i get you he was in the military too) and patriotism has nothing to do with the philosophy behind this. It also has nothing to do with our system and the laws either, or what makes us great. A cheap ass is a cheap ass, we don’t need to stand behind the flag to make that argument.
The only cheap person is you…you are in our country so play by our rules you cheap bastard! If you don’t like go back to your own country..WE DON’T WANT YOU HERE. I would kick you in the balls if I ever met you in person…no one wants to hear your rant so shut the fuck up. Who are you to judge others when all you do for a living is whine about stupid shit?
In reply to Julie
Julie,
Why would not you keep discussion civilized. BTW, what is the fair compensation for a waiter in your view. What is the acceptable hourly rate?
In reply to Julie
Well I didn’t force you to read what I wrote right? So if you don’t want to hear the rant…just don’t read it!
In reply to Julie
Btw, who exactly gave you the right to decide what is “American”?
In reply to bhagwad
Brother if you don’t want the comments– don’t allow comments. It is all about your rationalization why you are cheap– not ours. You can not tip if you wish, but I do. You have already said you hate the disapproval and decided to tip because of it– that is you not being able to live up to your values. If you are correct in your value then then disapproval is well earned. But I don’t believe that is the case– this is just an elaborate appeal to make your cheapness commonplace. Everybody is cheap– nobody should tip? Waah. You don’t want to tip, don’t tip. But you earned the disapproval– it should keep you warm at night. And Americans get to determine what America is. Not you, and not me, but the group of us. And we are a widely diverse group. Probably the reason you fled your 3rd world homeland and came here for the opportunities that do not exist there.
In reply to redleg
Umm…you make it sound as if every American believes in tipping. I assure you they do not. Besides, even if 99% of the population believes something that doesn’t give them the right to decide what is “American”. Rule of law, not rule of the mob remember.
Sorry, but this patriotic jingoism is just childish. It’s hard for me to take you seriously when you go on about how great any particular country is. Patriotism just a sham to con people. It has no place in logical and rational discussions.
In the future if you want to be logical, stick to the subject. Don’t bring in irrelevant nonsense like “being American” etc. I can’t stop you from doing so, but then your argument just deserves to be ridiculed without further comment.
So again – there are plenty of Americans here who agree with me. Remember, the person making the argument is irrelevant. The argument is all that matters. I encourage you to read up on the Ad hominem logical fallacy.
I think no matter what we say, Bhagwad will continue to be a real jerk, only doing the “right thing” when it aligns with his personal opinion. I’ve got to give it to him..he has a lot of dick-to-itiveness.
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“Btw, who exactly gave you the right to decide what is “American”?
Just the same crooked logic which gave you the right to decide what is “Arab culture/custom”. :)
Nice. You who cannot conceive of a coherent logical argument and that I cannot see for the smoke of all the strawmen you have burned your argument. We are in America, and tipping is done predominantly in America. Whether you like it or not. You are the one who needs a review of your critical thinking and logic skills. I have never said you needed to tip, just that if you don’t you will be thought of as cheap. Whether that is right or wrong. You like to conflate that to rape, the abuse of women and genocide in general for whatever reason. Your article should be titled– “I am cheap and this is why.” Own it. I have not hid that I am a proud American, but that doesn’t make my argument jingoistic– that is your bias there. But surely there is a reason you came to this horrid place? You have a smug sense of your own superiority without ever being able to say why you are so much smarter than the rest of us. Not tipping doesn’t make you wrong for whatever reason– it just makes you cheap. And my right to free speech allows me to tell you that, while respecting your right to tell me to go to the Devil. Patriotism is only a sham to those ashamed of their nation. America is not perfect, far from it…but it is a hundred times better than the rest of the world. I have seen it and am grateful for what we have here, however imperfect. You are not.
I can’t change that but it reminds me of a story of two boys: One boy was an optimist and the other was a pessimist. This difference concerned the parents so they took the boys to see a therapist to see if there was some way to create an even temperament in the boys.
The therapist decided to put the pessimist in a room full of the latest toys and video games and the optimist in a room full of horse shit would make the one more optimistic and the other more pessimistic.
After several hours had passed the therapist went into the room full of toys and found the pessimistic boy in tears. When asked what the problem was the boy said “I don’t know what to play with first, and I’m afraid I’ll break something”.
The therapist then went into the room full of horseshit. There he found the optimistic child singing and dancing with joy in the manure. When questioned by the therapist why he was so happy about being in horse manure, the boy said, “With all this horse-shit, there must be a pony here somewhere.”
That seems to be the difference between us. You are given the gift of a free society and are spending your time bitching about tipping while some of us are actually happy to be living in it. Can’t help you with that.
In reply to redleg
Lol – you’re forgetting it’s because I respect free speech I’m allowing you to come here and troll my blog in the first place. Strictly speaking, I don’t need to. You’re more than welcome to start your own blog to exercise your freedom of expression. But you’re a guest in my house (blog). And it’s because of my tolerant attitude towards free speech that I allow you to come here repeatedly. So don’t give me lectures regarding that.
As for the rest of your post – *yawn* – talk about the logic of tipping and don’t go into irrelevancies. I’ve given you my opinion of the patriotism claptrap. But that’s not the topic of the post.
Stick. To. The. Topic.
In reply to bhagwad
Pot. Kettle. Calling Black.
I hope you are still a student and have time to grow up. Good luck with that. I have to agree with Valerie. I admit its fun to poke you, but you are not capable of reasoned debate.
In reply to redleg
I’ve always stayed on topic. I’ve always been polite, never called you (or anyone else) names or made judgments about your personal life.
All of which you have been guilty of.
I’m sorry but if you’re truly interested in showing yourself to be a “true American”, you’re doing a very poor job of representing your country.
But no matter. I know most people are not in fact like you. So I’m not going to stereotype.
In reply to bhagwad
You’ve always stayed on topic??? Well, I’d have to disagree with that.
You CONTINUOUSLY go off topic and change the subject, and I myself have had to point this out to you time and again.
Sorry but Redleg is correct. Blogging may be fun for you, but you are incapable of truly debating.
In reply to Brittney
Hunh. I’ve never insulted you, commented on your character, talked about your upbringing, being a “good American” etc etc.
You’ve engaged in all of this. And you think I’m incapable of debating?
Every single comment of mine – every statement – has had to do with tipping. I’m sorry, but we cannot say the same of you. If we’re talking about “being decent” and “being a good debater” then your behavior on this forum has completely negated all your claims of being so.
Perhaps you’ve never really seen a good debate and understood the rules of polite disagreement?
In reply to bhagwad
Any insult that has been geared at you has been directed at your condescending attitude towards others or your sense of entitlement that you are above the system. You are reckless and selfish in your actions of not tipping (by fact, as you’ve made it clear time and again that the waitstaff doesn’t matter to you, and you don’t value their service yet continue to use and abuse it). Just because someone insults you for your lack of being sensible to other human beings or the reality of the tipping situation, does not make their debating’s invalid.
Have I possibly “insulted” you by calling you cheap? Absolutely, because you are.
Have I commented on your character? I have called you inconsiderate of others, again, because you are inconsiderate to the waiters who you blatantly take advantage of.
At what point did I mention your upbringing? You’d have to remind me. I recall mentioning that your mother should be ashamed of how she raised you possibly, but I don’t consider that directly bashing your upbringing.
And anything I’ve said goes beyond being a good “American.” It’s about being a decent person.
So even with my opinion of you as a person, which I have so freely put out there, I have still given valid points to every debate we have had, and have stayed on topic.
Just because someone speaks their thoughts of you based on things you have said does NOT make their points invalid.
And to say that just because every comment of yours has had to do with tipping, does not mean that you’re good at debating. Tipping as a subject in general is very vague. I have read people bring up points that you can’t debunk, and you change the subject. You’ve done this to me repeatedly, and I continue to bring up the original points, but you continually would try to refute them by bringing up more random nonsense.
So as I’ve said, don’t mistake that just because someone sees through your excuses for your poor actions and SAYS SO, that makes them a bad debater. I have stated my facts, given valid and logical reasons in every discussion we have had, REGARDLESS of what my opinion of you or your character is. So just because I state my belief of what type of person you are does not erase all of the facts and logic I have provided in each and every debate.
So sorry. No. Stating an opinion of someones character based on things they do or say does not interfere with the valid points of an argument.
In reply to Brittney
No, I don’t consider being called “cheap” an insult. In fact I’m puzzled by why people keep saying it. It’s irrelevant to the discussion. If you think you’re insulting me by calling me cheap, that reflects on you not on me.
So you’re saying “Yes, we insulted you but…”. Sorry, but that’s simply not how a proper debate works.
Mind you, I don’t care about insults. I have an impenetrable armor and words roll off my back. But when someone else accuses me of being a poor debater, I’m sure you’ll agree that it takes the cake!
I’m afraid that you can’t lay claim to being a good debater and still insult people. Read up on ad hominem and how any basic debating class will tell you to avoid them as logical fallacies.
So by all means go ahead and insult me. I don’t care. Just don’t have delusions of grandeur and pretend that you’re some debating diva :D
In reply to bhagwad
First off, let me say that the ENTIRE reason I said that I “possibly” insulted you by calling you cheap is because you said yourself:
“Hunh. I’ve never insulted you, commented on your character, talked about your upbringing, being a “good American” etc etc.
You’ve engaged in all of this.”
Which would HAVE to mean in the context that you put it, that I have insulted you, commented on your character, talked about your upbringing, being a “good American” etc etc.
So don’t be so puzzled as to why I said that it could “POSSIBLY” be because I called you cheap. As a matter of fact, I put the word POSSIBLY in my last response for just that reason. You seem to repeatedly say that you aren’t insulted, yet made it a point to say I have engaged in insulting you.
“So you’re saying “Yes, we insulted you but…”. Sorry, but that’s simply not how a proper debate works.”
… And who exactly made YOU King Debater? You cannot say that because someone states their opinion of you, that makes every valid argument they have stated irrelevant or a bad debate. I can give every reason under the sun as to why what you are saying is incorrect, and just because I say you are cheap or selfish, that makes my points not matter?
Again, sorry, no. If I was trying to have strict debates, than I’d be on a debate team or forum. But this is your personal blog that you have shared with the public, so that gives me the ability to share intellect, logic and fact as well as share my opinion. And sharing my opinion does not oppress the facts.
I have taken multiple Literature & Language classes, and if I were trying to write a college essay, I would NEVER bring up insult to a character. But this is not a Literature paper, it is a blog, and I have to freedom to add my opinion without penalty. Again, my opinion doesn’t erase the fact and logic.
And never did I say I am a “debating diva”, but by all means, at least I can stay on subject. If it weren’t so time consuming, I would go through every message I’ve posted and count how many times I’ve had to call you back to the original points of our debates as PROOF.
In reply to Brittney
My response was to redleg and his talk of “reasoned debate” when I told him to stay on track. You weren’t even in the thread until you chose to come in.
Go ahead and insult me all you want. They just reflect on the person throwing the insults, and not on me.
Being a server is a demanding, and time consuming job. It pays the bills, while I go to school, and it pays for my vacations, clothes, and pet food. I get to interact with people every single day, and I find it to be quite exciting. I’m not trying to be your best friend, I’m just doing my job, and trying to be nice to you even though every time I get back to your table you need something else. Along with the nine other 5 top tables I have and three guests sitting at the bar expecting another round of beer, and shots. I’m working for my money, not expecting it to just fall in my lap. This post was insensitive, judgmental, closed-minded, and rude. I think that as a requirement everyone should work a restaurant industry job, so that they can grow up with some fucking social skills, a smaller ego, and so they can learn how not to act like a self righteous privileged prick. Did your parents raise you to be an asinine ass hat? Did they tell you it was ok to not look someone in the eyes while you are talking to them, and to chew with your fucking mouth open? Ugh, there is no saving your simple minded brain. This post was a big statement to how you feel, and how I have no faith in humanity. There are a handful of good people out there, and you are not one of them.