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		<title>By: Bhagwad Jal Park</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 03:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely RenKiss. Climate warming doesn&#039;t mean the whole earth will slowly cook. It can take many forms - and not all of them need even be about temperature! 
 
You&#039;re also right about people thinking that it&#039;s a &quot;conspiracy&quot; - as if it&#039;s even possible for such a huge conspiracy to take place affecting all countries, all scientists and all governments... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely RenKiss. Climate warming doesn&#039;t mean the whole earth will slowly cook. It can take many forms &#8211; and not all of them need even be about temperature! </p>
<p>You&#039;re also right about people thinking that it&#039;s a &quot;conspiracy&quot; &#8211; as if it&#039;s even possible for such a huge conspiracy to take place affecting all countries, all scientists and all governments&#8230; </p>
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		<title>By: RenKiss</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I had to respond to this post, because for the most part it&#039;s quite true. I don&#039;t understand why so many Americans don&#039;t believe people have a significant impact on the environment. I don&#039;t know if this has to do with the fact that many Americans are more religious.  Or maybe people believe that it&#039;s a conspiracy from the &quot;leftist environmentalists&quot; who people to change their lifestyles. I mean seriously.   When people here the words &quot;global warming&quot; they think the weather all around is getting warmer, not realizing that it can also make temperatures much colder than usual.   
 
It&#039;s one those things that make me ashamed of being American. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I had to respond to this post, because for the most part it&#039;s quite true. I don&#039;t understand why so many Americans don&#039;t believe people have a significant impact on the environment. I don&#039;t know if this has to do with the fact that many Americans are more religious.  Or maybe people believe that it&#039;s a conspiracy from the &quot;leftist environmentalists&quot; who people to change their lifestyles. I mean seriously.   When people here the words &quot;global warming&quot; they think the weather all around is getting warmer, not realizing that it can also make temperatures much colder than usual.   </p>
<p>It&#039;s one those things that make me ashamed of being American. </p>
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		<title>By: US Businesses Challenge Global Warming in Court! &#124; Expressions - Bhagwad Jal Park</title>
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		<title>By: bhagwad</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-1916&quot;&gt; 
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1916&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Raven&lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt; 
Incorrect. The scientific method has nothing to do with consensus. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
 
I&#039;m not talking about the scientific method. The scientific method also includes experimentation which is not feasible when discussing climate change. That doesn&#039;t preclude us from studying it just because we can&#039;t follow the scientific method. 
 
&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-1916&quot;&gt; 
Without evidence, except for fudged data, in support for global warming caused due to human activity. 
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Fudged is a weasel word - calling it fudged data is itself fudging the facts. 
&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-1916&quot;&gt; 
The truth is, there is nothing stopping you from asking for the evidence for global warming instead of following the herd. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
 
It&#039;s also true that false conclusions can be couched in scientific language - and most people reading it will believe it. 
 
For example, I can &quot;prove&quot; that global cooling is occurring because sunlight gets reflected by the increasing concentrations of dust in the atmosphere. Most people will believe me if I say this - but it takes an in depth knowledge of science to pick out the flaws. Be suspicious of anyone who tries to &quot;prove&quot; something to you. Listen to them, but also check other sources for the reverse argument. 
 
The safest way is to listen to the mummer of the scientific community. And if one side is getting louder and louder, there are very good chances that that side is correct. By all means, use your own senses to figure out if you have the time. Here is the link for the evidence on Climate Change: &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming&lt;/a&gt; . 
 
But the very fact that Wikipedia which is itself a community driven site presents a compelling view in favor of anthropogenic climate change displays the power of community drive consensus. If you feel that it is wrong, you are most welcome to go and make the appropriate changes to the article...with proper references of course. 
 
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almost the entire scientific community were at a consensus that the earth is flat 
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I&#039;m curious as to why you call those people a &quot;scientific community&quot;. There were only philosophers making a pretense of being scientific. I&#039;m not sure if you&#039;re trying to compare them to the physicists who work on Climate Change... 
 
You seem to be claiming that it makes more sense to disbelieve something when everyone says it&#039;s true ipso facto... 
 
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Moreover there is no correlation between levels of CO2 and global climate 
&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
 
A completely damning statement. There &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; such correlations - in fact, there are pretty correlation diagrams all over the  Wikipedia link I pasted - it might be possible that someone has been feeding you outdated facts. 
 
&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-1916&quot;&gt; 
why is it that Mars that is devoid of such activity experiencing drastic climate change as well. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
 
Why would you ever assume that two completely different planets are even remotely similar in their mechanics? Just because someone has told this to you, or this thought has occurred to you, doesn&#039;t mean you should accept it blindly. 
 
Basically, all things being equal, I would go with the 84% of scientists who affirm that anthropogenic Global warming is happening, rather than with the 16% of those who do not. </description>
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<strong><a href="#comment-1916" rel="nofollow">Raven</a> :</strong><br />
Incorrect. The scientific method has nothing to do with consensus. </p>
<p>I&#039;m not talking about the scientific method. The scientific method also includes experimentation which is not feasible when discussing climate change. That doesn&#039;t preclude us from studying it just because we can&#039;t follow the scientific method. </p>
<p>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-1916&quot;&gt;<br />
Without evidence, except for fudged data, in support for global warming caused due to human activity. </p>
<p>Fudged is a weasel word &#8211; calling it fudged data is itself fudging the facts.<br />
&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-1916&quot;&gt;<br />
The truth is, there is nothing stopping you from asking for the evidence for global warming instead of following the herd. </p>
<p>It&#039;s also true that false conclusions can be couched in scientific language &#8211; and most people reading it will believe it. </p>
<p>For example, I can &quot;prove&quot; that global cooling is occurring because sunlight gets reflected by the increasing concentrations of dust in the atmosphere. Most people will believe me if I say this &#8211; but it takes an in depth knowledge of science to pick out the flaws. Be suspicious of anyone who tries to &quot;prove&quot; something to you. Listen to them, but also check other sources for the reverse argument. </p>
<p>The safest way is to listen to the mummer of the scientific community. And if one side is getting louder and louder, there are very good chances that that side is correct. By all means, use your own senses to figure out if you have the time. Here is the link for the evidence on Climate Change: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming</a> . </p>
<p>But the very fact that Wikipedia which is itself a community driven site presents a compelling view in favor of anthropogenic climate change displays the power of community drive consensus. If you feel that it is wrong, you are most welcome to go and make the appropriate changes to the article&#8230;with proper references of course. </p>
<p>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-1916&quot;&gt;<br />
almost the entire scientific community were at a consensus that the earth is flat </p>
<p>I&#039;m curious as to why you call those people a &quot;scientific community&quot;. There were only philosophers making a pretense of being scientific. I&#039;m not sure if you&#039;re trying to compare them to the physicists who work on Climate Change&#8230; </p>
<p>You seem to be claiming that it makes more sense to disbelieve something when everyone says it&#039;s true ipso facto&#8230; </p>
<p>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-1916&quot;&gt;<br />
Moreover there is no correlation between levels of CO2 and global climate </p>
<p>A completely damning statement. There <i>are</i> such correlations &#8211; in fact, there are pretty correlation diagrams all over the  Wikipedia link I pasted &#8211; it might be possible that someone has been feeding you outdated facts. </p>
<p>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-1916&quot;&gt;<br />
why is it that Mars that is devoid of such activity experiencing drastic climate change as well. </p>
<p>Why would you ever assume that two completely different planets are even remotely similar in their mechanics? Just because someone has told this to you, or this thought has occurred to you, doesn&#039;t mean you should accept it blindly. </p>
<p>Basically, all things being equal, I would go with the 84% of scientists who affirm that anthropogenic Global warming is happening, rather than with the 16% of those who do not. </p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*Not true </description>
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		<title>By: bhagwad</title>
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		<dc:creator>bhagwad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 08:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1903&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Raven&lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt; 
&quot;...Well news flash! Consensus means nothing in the scientific community.&quot; 
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Not true - consensus means everything in the scientific community. That is how science works - and has been working ever since the world scientific community started working together. 
 
To say that just because we could be wrong we must not believe in anything is facetious. For example, we can&#039;t use rocket boosters in Formula One racing just because the rules may change in the future. What matters is what the rules are at this moment. And at this moment, there is a global scientific consensus. 
 
Also, most of us don&#039;t have the time or the expertise to verify scientific claims independently. This is to be expected given the complex states of the various disciplines. 
 
Even though I graduated in Science, I can&#039;t prove Einstein&#039;s General Theory of relativity, yet I believe it because I know there is a complete scientific consensus on the matter. I use my brain to decide that if there was a doubt about Einstein&#039;s theory, intelligent scientists would object - since they do not, I believe it. There&#039;s nothing more for me (and most others) to go by. 
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&quot;...Moreover this statement only means that any refutations have not reached the public and not that it is entirely absent.&quot; 
&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
 
If only this were true! Unfortunately, there are too many simplistic &quot;refutations&quot; that have reached the public&#039;s ear. Your &quot;refutation&quot; below is one of them. 
 
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&quot;...there are other greenhouse gases that are much much more powerful than CO2...why is everyone hung up over CO2?&quot; 
&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
Good example of using simple logic to explain complex phenomena - there are so many reasons to look at CO2. Among other things, we can directly influence CO2 levels - methane is more difficult. Also, the half life of Methane is 7 years. That of CO2 is over a hundred - well over. 
 
Methane is of course a serious problem too - but better to start with those we can control instead of mooning over those over which we have less. </description>
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<strong><a href="#comment-1903" rel="nofollow">Raven</a> :</strong><br />
&quot;&#8230;Well news flash! Consensus means nothing in the scientific community.&quot; </p>
<p>Not true &#8211; consensus means everything in the scientific community. That is how science works &#8211; and has been working ever since the world scientific community started working together. </p>
<p>To say that just because we could be wrong we must not believe in anything is facetious. For example, we can&#039;t use rocket boosters in Formula One racing just because the rules may change in the future. What matters is what the rules are at this moment. And at this moment, there is a global scientific consensus. </p>
<p>Also, most of us don&#039;t have the time or the expertise to verify scientific claims independently. This is to be expected given the complex states of the various disciplines. </p>
<p>Even though I graduated in Science, I can&#039;t prove Einstein&#039;s General Theory of relativity, yet I believe it because I know there is a complete scientific consensus on the matter. I use my brain to decide that if there was a doubt about Einstein&#039;s theory, intelligent scientists would object &#8211; since they do not, I believe it. There&#039;s nothing more for me (and most others) to go by.<br />
&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-1903&quot;&gt;<br />
&quot;&#8230;Moreover this statement only means that any refutations have not reached the public and not that it is entirely absent.&quot; </p>
<p>If only this were true! Unfortunately, there are too many simplistic &quot;refutations&quot; that have reached the public&#039;s ear. Your &quot;refutation&quot; below is one of them. </p>
<p>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-1903&quot;&gt;<br />
&quot;&#8230;there are other greenhouse gases that are much much more powerful than CO2&#8230;why is everyone hung up over CO2?&quot; </p>
<p>Good example of using simple logic to explain complex phenomena &#8211; there are so many reasons to look at CO2. Among other things, we can directly influence CO2 levels &#8211; methane is more difficult. Also, the half life of Methane is 7 years. That of CO2 is over a hundred &#8211; well over. </p>
<p>Methane is of course a serious problem too &#8211; but better to start with those we can control instead of mooning over those over which we have less. </p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 03:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*Well, just for the record, 84% of all scientists believe that significant human induced climate change is taking place.* 
 
It is quite amusing that although you have been eloquent about your assertion that humans affect the climate, you provide nothing more than a consensus of scientists on the matter. 
 
Well news flash! Consensus means nothing in the scientific community. A few centuries ago there was a huge consensus that the earth was flat. Turns out they were all wrong. 
 
*The influence of humans on climate change has not been disputed by any national or international scientific organization (including American ones!) for the past 2 years.* 
 
Proclaiming that a claim is true until it has been disputed is again not scientific. Moreover this statement only means that any refutations have not reached the public and not that it is entirely absent. 
 
For eg here is a site that could shed some light on the matter  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.isthereglobalwarming.com/global_warming_home&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.isthereglobalwarming.com/global_warmin...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
In reality there is hardly any evidence in support of global warming. The increase in CO2 in the atmosphere does not correspond to a rise in temperature. Moreover there are other greenhouse gases that are much much more powerful than CO2. Eg Water vapour. So why is everyone hung up over CO2? 
 
Its rather arrogant to assume that activity of humans over a couple of centuries is enough to disrupt the climate of a planet that has been around for billions of years. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*Well, just for the record, 84% of all scientists believe that significant human induced climate change is taking place.* </p>
<p>It is quite amusing that although you have been eloquent about your assertion that humans affect the climate, you provide nothing more than a consensus of scientists on the matter. </p>
<p>Well news flash! Consensus means nothing in the scientific community. A few centuries ago there was a huge consensus that the earth was flat. Turns out they were all wrong. </p>
<p>*The influence of humans on climate change has not been disputed by any national or international scientific organization (including American ones!) for the past 2 years.* </p>
<p>Proclaiming that a claim is true until it has been disputed is again not scientific. Moreover this statement only means that any refutations have not reached the public and not that it is entirely absent. </p>
<p>For eg here is a site that could shed some light on the matter  <a href="http://www.isthereglobalwarming.com/global_warming_home" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.isthereglobalwarming.com/global_warmin" rel="nofollow">http://www.isthereglobalwarming.com/global_warmin</a>&#8230; </p>
<p>In reality there is hardly any evidence in support of global warming. The increase in CO2 in the atmosphere does not correspond to a rise in temperature. Moreover there are other greenhouse gases that are much much more powerful than CO2. Eg Water vapour. So why is everyone hung up over CO2? </p>
<p>Its rather arrogant to assume that activity of humans over a couple of centuries is enough to disrupt the climate of a planet that has been around for billions of years. </p>
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		<title>By: Sajid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sajid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bhagwad, 
 
Hero Optima cost me INR 31,000. It&#039;s maximum speed is 25 kmph and can carry two people. I recharge my vehicle every two days just like mobile charging. Since its speed is 25kmph max you do not require any license and registration in India. The motor in the rear wheel is of 250 watts. There are 4 batteries in all and the batteries are replacable after two years as per their condition. There are other varients of Hero that speed more than 40kmph, and cost 40,000INR (motor=750 watts). They do require a license and a registration. The varient was Hero Velocity, but i recently coe to know that the company has closed Velocity distribution. 
 
I will recommend Hero Optima if you are willing to purchase one for short drives. If you need something speedy then wait some more time, Hero is going to launch 1500 watt motor varient shortly. 
 
Bhagwad you will get more specification at: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.heroelectric.in/home.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.heroelectric.in/home.asp&lt;/a&gt; 
 
Sajid </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bhagwad, </p>
<p>Hero Optima cost me INR 31,000. It&#039;s maximum speed is 25 kmph and can carry two people. I recharge my vehicle every two days just like mobile charging. Since its speed is 25kmph max you do not require any license and registration in India. The motor in the rear wheel is of 250 watts. There are 4 batteries in all and the batteries are replacable after two years as per their condition. There are other varients of Hero that speed more than 40kmph, and cost 40,000INR (motor=750 watts). They do require a license and a registration. The varient was Hero Velocity, but i recently coe to know that the company has closed Velocity distribution. </p>
<p>I will recommend Hero Optima if you are willing to purchase one for short drives. If you need something speedy then wait some more time, Hero is going to launch 1500 watt motor varient shortly. </p>
<p>Bhagwad you will get more specification at: <a href="http://www.heroelectric.in/home.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.heroelectric.in/home.asp</a> </p>
<p>Sajid </p>
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		<title>By: bhagwad</title>
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		<dc:creator>bhagwad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1659&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Sunaina&lt;/a&gt; 
 
&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1653&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Sajid&lt;/a&gt; 
I agree that Global Warming affects everyone. But it will be poor nations that face the worst with flooding and the other effects of climate change. 
 
Also, we must not only think of ourselves. Mass extinction, deforestation and other issues are causing tremendous harm to other creatures on earth to whom we have a responsibility. 
 
Sajid: What&#039;s the cost of your Hero Optima? And what&#039;s the speed? Can it carry two people? Also, are the batteries rechargeable? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1659" rel="nofollow">@Sunaina</a> </p>
<p><a href="#comment-1653" rel="nofollow">@Sajid</a><br />
I agree that Global Warming affects everyone. But it will be poor nations that face the worst with flooding and the other effects of climate change. </p>
<p>Also, we must not only think of ourselves. Mass extinction, deforestation and other issues are causing tremendous harm to other creatures on earth to whom we have a responsibility. </p>
<p>Sajid: What&#039;s the cost of your Hero Optima? And what&#039;s the speed? Can it carry two people? Also, are the batteries rechargeable? </p>
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