Comments on: Climate Change – I've given up and lost hope http://www.bhagwad.com/blog/2010/environment/climate-change/climate-change-ive-given-up-and-lost-hope.html/ My thoughts, haikus and freelance musings Sat, 11 Feb 2012 04:51:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: bhagwad http://www.bhagwad.com/blog/2010/environment/climate-change/climate-change-ive-given-up-and-lost-hope.html/#comment-8790 bhagwad Wed, 01 Jun 2011 14:16:16 +0000 http://www.bhagwad.com/blog/?p=1681#comment-8790 Unlike the rapture crowd, I fervently <em>hope</em> nothing happens. There they're waiting to be saved and for god to take them up (I even <a href="http://www.bhagwad.com/blog/2011/philosophy/why-end-of-the-world-scams-are-so-seductive.html/" rel="nofollow">wrote about it</a>). But I really don't make up my own mind about this - it's too complex. I just listen to the scientists and <a href="http://www.bhagwad.com/blog/2010/environment/climate-change/climate-change-the-arrogance-of-skepticism.html/" rel="nofollow">when 98% of them agree on something</a> I blindly agree with what they say. They could <em>still</em> be wrong of course, but the probability is low. Unlike the rapture crowd, I fervently hope nothing happens. There they’re waiting to be saved and for god to take them up (I even wrote about it).

But I really don’t make up my own mind about this – it’s too complex. I just listen to the scientists and when 98% of them agree on something I blindly agree with what they say. They could still be wrong of course, but the probability is low.

]]> By: Jai_C http://www.bhagwad.com/blog/2010/environment/climate-change/climate-change-ive-given-up-and-lost-hope.html/#comment-8788 Jai_C Wed, 01 Jun 2011 05:52:56 +0000 http://www.bhagwad.com/blog/?p=1681#comment-8788 This is probably not the exact post I'm looking for (which is one where you go into climate change at depth) but its close enough. I'm posting a link from Yahoo!opinions "beware the false prophets" by Mohit Satyanand: http://in.news.yahoo.com/blogs/opinions/beware-false-prophets-064226949.html#more-id where the *climate change crowd* are compared to the *rapture doomsday crowd*. In particular... "...millions respond enthusiastically to prophets with equally dismal track records. Think Paul Ehrlich, one of the leaders of the current global warming scare; in the 1970s, he was at the forefront of the global cooling scare. The first 'global warmer', Svante Arrhenius, was also a key figure in the eugenics movement, which was convinced that the human race was threatened by the uncontrolled breeding of the "wrong" people...." As I've commented earlier I'm very ambivalent on the issue, I'd like carbon footprint to be reduced because its a good thing. I suspect the dangers are exaggerated though and in 50 years there may not be the cataclysm you so fear. thanks, Jai This is probably not the exact post I’m looking for (which is one where you go into climate change at depth) but its close enough.

I’m posting a link from Yahoo!opinions “beware the false prophets” by Mohit Satyanand:

http://in.news.yahoo.com/blogs/opinions/beware-false-prophets-064226949.html#more-id

where the *climate change crowd* are compared to the *rapture doomsday crowd*. In particular…

“…millions respond enthusiastically to prophets with equally dismal track records. Think Paul Ehrlich, one of the leaders of the current global warming scare; in the 1970s, he was at the forefront of the global cooling scare. The first ‘global warmer’, Svante Arrhenius, was also a key figure in the eugenics movement, which was convinced that the human race was threatened by the uncontrolled breeding of the “wrong” people….”

As I’ve commented earlier I’m very ambivalent on the issue, I’d like carbon footprint to be reduced because its a good thing. I suspect the dangers are exaggerated though and in 50 years there may not be the cataclysm you so fear.

thanks,
Jai

]]> By: Ecks Why Zed http://www.bhagwad.com/blog/2010/environment/climate-change/climate-change-ive-given-up-and-lost-hope.html/#comment-8783 Ecks Why Zed Tue, 31 May 2011 07:53:37 +0000 http://www.bhagwad.com/blog/?p=1681#comment-8783 You're right. Too many people and since we can't / won't do a thing about it, that will happen via natural causes. Pretty well just like what happens if a herd of animals overpopulates and overgrazes an area. It starts with an erosion of living standards. That results in increased tensions as we fight over scarce resources - mostly land and energy. So there will be more wars and with the wars will come disease and famine. Nobody with power sees any of this as a priority because politicians' #1 priority is power and big biz's #1 priority is telling politicians what to do so as to increase market share. None of this is a matter of if, but when. You’re right. Too many people and since we can’t / won’t do a thing about it, that will happen via natural causes. Pretty well just like what happens if a herd of animals overpopulates and overgrazes an area.

It starts with an erosion of living standards. That results in increased tensions as we fight over scarce resources – mostly land and energy. So there will be more wars and with the wars will come disease and famine.

Nobody with power sees any of this as a priority because politicians’ #1 priority is power and big biz’s #1 priority is telling politicians what to do so as to increase market share.

None of this is a matter of if, but when.

]]> By: The Currents of Space by Isaac Asimov – Book Review | Expressions - Bhagwad Jal Park http://www.bhagwad.com/blog/2010/environment/climate-change/climate-change-ive-given-up-and-lost-hope.html/#comment-787 The Currents of Space by Isaac Asimov – Book Review | Expressions - Bhagwad Jal Park Wed, 14 Apr 2010 13:39:06 +0000 http://www.bhagwad.com/blog/?p=1681#comment-787 [...] the reason why they can be completely money minded at the cost of everything else. There’s absolutely no hope..In the end, “The Currents of Space” is an excellent sci fi thriller that delivers some [...] [...] the reason why they can be completely money minded at the cost of everything else. There’s absolutely no hope..In the end, “The Currents of Space” is an excellent sci fi thriller that delivers some [...]

]]> By: bhagwad http://www.bhagwad.com/blog/2010/environment/climate-change/climate-change-ive-given-up-and-lost-hope.html/#comment-786 bhagwad Thu, 08 Apr 2010 10:25:17 +0000 http://www.bhagwad.com/blog/?p=1681#comment-786 Hi Raj, thanks for dropping by! I've taken a look at your blog as well - it's really impressive. Looks like gardening (ahem) "grows" on you :) after you've been at it for a while. I'll keep checking up your site for tips for my own garden... Hi Raj, thanks for dropping by!

I've taken a look at your blog as well – it's really impressive. Looks like gardening (ahem) "grows" on you :) after you've been at it for a while.

I'll keep checking up your site for tips for my own garden…

]]> By: Raj http://www.bhagwad.com/blog/2010/environment/climate-change/climate-change-ive-given-up-and-lost-hope.html/#comment-785 Raj Thu, 08 Apr 2010 10:18:59 +0000 http://www.bhagwad.com/blog/?p=1681#comment-785 Hi Bhagwad, Just stumbled upon your blog via geekgardener's blog. Will come back for more in free time :) Wish you good luck on your gardening endeavors. Regards Raj Hi Bhagwad,

Just stumbled upon your blog via geekgardener's blog. Will come back for more in free time :) Wish you good luck on your gardening endeavors.

Regards
Raj

]]> By: Growing Tomatoes – Day 1 | Expressions - Bhagwad Jal Park http://www.bhagwad.com/blog/2010/environment/climate-change/climate-change-ive-given-up-and-lost-hope.html/#comment-784 Growing Tomatoes – Day 1 | Expressions - Bhagwad Jal Park Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:46:47 +0000 http://www.bhagwad.com/blog/?p=1681#comment-784 [...] since I gave up and lost hope of us preventing catastrophic climate change, I’ve been getting the feeling that I’d better know how to grow my own food. Of course, [...] [...] since I gave up and lost hope of us preventing catastrophic climate change, I’ve been getting the feeling that I’d better know how to grow my own food. Of course, [...]

]]> By: Patriotic Tiger http://www.bhagwad.com/blog/2010/environment/climate-change/climate-change-ive-given-up-and-lost-hope.html/#comment-783 Patriotic Tiger Fri, 19 Feb 2010 09:07:13 +0000 http://www.bhagwad.com/blog/?p=1681#comment-783 Be of good cheer. You should be happy that Copenhagen failed. You have been rescued from worldwide poverty the likes this world has never seen. The regulations that were to be voted on in Copenhagen were so onerous that it would have cause and even greater collapse of the major industrialized economies of the world. These very economies fee 95% of all humans on earth. That alone is change you can believe in. As for the climate skeptics, their point would be a sham if they only based it on the recent cooling period. Actually it turns out that the very data that the AGW scientists relied on to create their theory was tainted data. They purposely deleted previous warming periods and omitted some of the cooler data points to make the model show what they wanted it so show. This is not science, it is deceit. I agree with that if AGW is true, then some species may fail while others will thrive and the earth will keep on revolving around the sun. If we humans are a result of 4 billion years of evolution, then we have no more right to occupy this planet than the dinosaurs did. They are gone now but the biosystem adjusted. If all humans are wiped off the earth, what does it matter in a Godless world? When you are gone, lights out, lights out, the show is over. If all live were extinguished save for one amoeba, then in 4 billon years the earth will be repopulated with new creatures that will might be “better creatures” than humans. If AGW is not true, then unfortunately you have spent a great deal of mental anguish on a lie. If you hope was to save the planet, then you should be ecstatic, that the earth is not going to melt after, all. If you think there is something more to us than being mere mutant apes, then you should consider, placing you hope in a God rather than men and governments. I assure you, men and governments will disappoint you every time. Be of good cheer.
You should be happy that Copenhagen failed. You have been rescued from worldwide poverty the likes this world has never seen. The regulations that were to be voted on in Copenhagen were so onerous that it would have cause and even greater collapse of the major industrialized economies of the world. These very economies fee 95% of all humans on earth. That alone is change you can believe in.
As for the climate skeptics, their point would be a sham if they only based it on the recent cooling period. Actually it turns out that the very data that the AGW scientists relied on to create their theory was tainted data. They purposely deleted previous warming periods and omitted some of the cooler data points to make the model show what they wanted it so show. This is not science, it is deceit.
I agree with that if AGW is true, then some species may fail while others will thrive and the earth will keep on revolving around the sun. If we humans are a result of 4 billion years of evolution, then we have no more right to occupy this planet than the dinosaurs did. They are gone now but the biosystem adjusted. If all humans are wiped off the earth, what does it matter in a Godless world? When you are gone, lights out, lights out, the show is over. If all live were extinguished save for one amoeba, then in 4 billon years the earth will be repopulated with new creatures that will might be “better creatures” than humans.
If AGW is not true, then unfortunately you have spent a great deal of mental anguish on a lie. If you hope was to save the planet, then you should be ecstatic, that the earth is not going to melt after, all. If you think there is something more to us than being mere mutant apes, then you should consider, placing you hope in a God rather than men and governments. I assure you, men and governments will disappoint you every time.

]]> By: I’m an evolutionary failure! | Expressions - Bhagwad Jal Park http://www.bhagwad.com/blog/2010/environment/climate-change/climate-change-ive-given-up-and-lost-hope.html/#comment-782 I’m an evolutionary failure! | Expressions - Bhagwad Jal Park Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:50:47 +0000 http://www.bhagwad.com/blog/?p=1681#comment-782 [...] we’re ****ing up the earth so badly that I’ve lost hope and I don’t want my children to curse me for bringing them into a doomed world. They’ll [...] [...] we’re ****ing up the earth so badly that I’ve lost hope and I don’t want my children to curse me for bringing them into a doomed world. They’ll [...]

]]> By: bhagwad http://www.bhagwad.com/blog/2010/environment/climate-change/climate-change-ive-given-up-and-lost-hope.html/#comment-781 bhagwad Wed, 13 Jan 2010 03:15:15 +0000 http://www.bhagwad.com/blog/?p=1681#comment-781 <a href="#comment-7522" rel="nofollow">@Hari Batti </a> Looking forward to the guest post. Let's see if he can bring some new insight into the problem, cause I've really hit a dead end. I'm usually an optimist, but the facts are hitting me the in face and I can't seem to interpret them any differently... @Hari Batti
Looking forward to the guest post. Let's see if he can bring some new insight into the problem, cause I've really hit a dead end.

I'm usually an optimist, but the facts are hitting me the in face and I can't seem to interpret them any differently…

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