I came across a poll on whether or not rapists should get the death sentence. Seventeen people said that yes, rape should be punishable by death, and only eight disagreed.
My personal opinion is that though it seems very tempting to award capital punishment for rapists, it’s just not practical. Here’s are my reasons:
Death Sentence for rape?
1. The death sentence is for the rarest of the rare cases
While there’s no doubt that rape is a heinous crime, it is unfortunately quite common. If we award the death sentence for rape, there’s a danger we’ll become comfortable with the idea of killing people through sheer habit. We’ll get used to the idea that the state can legally kill people and in my judgment, that isn’t healthy.
Already people like Baba Ramdev are advocating the death sentence for corruption. How far do we go before we become okay with the state killing people off?
2. More women will be murdered
The death sentence for rape will end up being a death sentence for the rape victims. What’s to stop the rapist from making sure she never talks? As of now, killing someone is a greater crime than raping them. The punishment for most murders isn’t death, and to my mind this will give rapists a license to kill off their victims to make sure they don’t talk.
3. What’s the sentence for even greater crimes?
The idea of differing sentences is to make graver crimes have stiffer punishments. While there’s no doubt that rape is a grave crime, there are other crimes that are even worse. The Nithari killings come to mind where Koli raped and murdered six children. To my mind that is a more serious crime than a single act of rape and the sentence must reflect that. Kohli got the death sentence since it was an unspeakably brutal act and was also extremely rare. If every rape gets a death sentence, what sentence do we give people like Kohli? Torture?
4. Do we want justice or revenge?
In a civilized society, we gradually move from the concept of “punishment” to one of reform. Only when the court senses that a person is too far gone for reform does it even begin to consider a death sentence. This is sure to provoke strong responses, but do we really feel that no rapist can ever change? That they’re a foregone conclusion?
5. No space for mistakes
As it stands, there are many elements that go into proving a rape. With rape cases getting the death sentence, the burden of proof will be raised much higher – once you kill someone you can never bring them back. All the protections that women have begun to obtain from the law such as getting the benefit of the doubt, not having to be questioned too much etc, will be thrown out the window. When a person’s life is at stake, the prosecution will have the right to use the maximum and strongest defense possible. This will surely lead to an even lower conviction of rape cases than we have at present. Moreover, courts themselves will be forced to take longer to decide – taking someone’s life isn’t a thing one does in a few months.
I can imagine why this is an emotional topic for a lot of people and even after reading the above, many might feel that death is an appropriate punishment. What do you think?
I'm against capital punishment, period…Having said that, proven rapists should get stiffer punishments…
This is what my wife feels as well…
Well, Strange…I think you are very childish and immature….IMO, I don’t think you have enough life experience to decide on such issues…
How about this senario you could face in this life?…….
You are going some where with your wife and a bunch of muggers start beating you and other bunch of muggers start rapping your wife….and you have 2 things one a Knife( not a gun !! :-), you could attack and ‘try’ to kill them all ) and other a cell phone you could try calling the police.
C’mon baby, what would you do?
Finally , IMO, rapists/molesters(if proved) should be given death penalty( death by stones ).
There’s a difference between self defence at the given moment and the justice handed out by the state in a civilized society. Don’t conflate the two.
But how do you prove that rape took place?
Surely the victim’s testimony is not enough! You can’t rely on the testimony of one witness. You need corroboration. And sometimes there’s none.
And even if there’s DNA stuck somewhere in her cunt pardon my French, how do you tell that it wasn’t consensual and she then decided to be a dick and ruin his live? Vaginal scarring does not always accompany rape and sometimes it accompanies consensual sex. We’re up the creek here.
I think it’s highly unlikely that you can prove rape beyond a reasonable doubt. Hence you cannot give a stiff sentence to a rapist, let alone the death sentence.
I feel the current form of punishment is good enough. But if it is found child abuse, there is no mercy – death would be the ultimate penalty.
It must always be life imprisonment . Life is too mportant to be wasted even it is of a convict…
I don't feel that capital punishment for rape will solve anything, which is my general opinion of capital punishment in general. It doesn't really do much to deter crime. I feel rape is one of those issues that have to be solved by other means. Such getting to the root of why rape happens and going from there.
Of course I'm not sure about giving women benefit of the doubt, while a lot of progress has been made, in a lot of cases the woman's sexual history or what she's worn is still sometimes brought up and women are still blamed for being raped. Though I am more for stricter punishments of rape, like longer prison sentences.
Lots of people still think that killing someone is both a deterrent as well as justice. As far as I know, you're right about capital punishment not deterring crime, so I don't think killing a criminal has any benefit other than catharsis for the victim…
Look at statistics from the gulf nations….it does make anyone think 100 times before committing crime…humans need a little scare theraphy to stop them from committing crime.
Look at the statistics indeed.
What you are saying is one thing and what we have on parliament's table is totally different thing. Whats in Sexual Assault Bill is to consider even what we used to call molestation, eve teasing, sexual harassment etc also as RAPE. That means eve teasers are going to get 7 years punishment!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As per recent pune police report 70% of RAPE cases are consensual sex!!!
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I don't know about the stats Prasson, but there are indeed many things that are clubbed under the molestation umbrella – including statutory rape which treats consensual sex between teenagers on the same footing as real rape crimes.
And who said molestation is 'not a big crime'??? 7 years for eve-teasing – serves the basta*d well and right. Put one basta*d into prison and watch how the roads can get cleaned of such jerks. Do you even know what molestation means? Have you ever been groped in your private parts on a public bus?
And who the hell has checked those 70% of the 'police report' cases to identify if it was 'consensual sex'? Obviously, people will try to convert every rape case into either prostitution or consensual sex.
Molestation/eve-teasing/rape… these are disgusting and disgraceful acts. Men who do this should either be jailed or castrated.
Sorry my mistake… Actually it is 74%
74% rape cases lodged were consensual sex says Pune Police –
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A desperate attempt to find the long lost credibility of vicious Indian women. Women are not infants to jump on to the bed the moment someone utters the word marriage! This law, "rape=sex under the false promise of marriage", should be scrapped so as to stop legal terrorism and extortion.
Some recent HC and SC cases already indicate that the false promise of marriage law doesn't stand up to proper scrutiny…
Dude, those are absurd irrational thoughts by those SC jokers. Here is what it says
"While we reiterate that a promise to marry without anything more will not give rise to ‘misconception of fact’ within the meaning of Section 90, it needs to be clarified that a representation deliberately made by the accused with a view to elicit the assent of the victim without having the intention or inclination to marry her, will vitiate the consent. If on the facts it is established that at the very inception of the making of promise, the accused did not really entertain the intention of marrying her and the promise to marry held out by him was a mere hoax, the consent ostensibly given by the victim will be of no avail to the accused to exculpate him from the ambit of Section 375 clause second. This is what in fact was stressed by the Division Bench of the Calcutta High Court in the case of Jayanti Rani Panda’s case (supra) which was approvingly referred to in Udayis case (supra). The Calcutta High Court rightly qualified the proposition which it stated earlier by adding the qualification at the end – “unless the court can be assured that from the very inception the accused never really intended to marry her”."
One one hand govt is trying to promote live-in relationships by giving legal protection and all the rights of married women and on other hand they are trying to appraise 16th century laws.
We have seen the air line molestation case, several sports coaches cases in sexual harassment, the latest and the most hyped Shiney Rape case which are all proven false and malicious. What we need is sexual intimidation law not castration laws.
Very good topic!
Even your analyses of ‘calibrating’ punishment according to seriousness of crime & how bar for conviction would be raised higher are very good.
I went through the comments on the ‘debate’ page. The amount of rhetoricing & posturing nauseates.
Unfortunate fact is, people think of jail term & death sentence too offhand.
I do not understand how do people feel comfortable to sit in judgment to be able to confidently decide “‘this’ punishment is appropriate for ‘that’ crime”.
Majority of Indians have never been to jail. Of course, nor have I. Let’s for the time-being consider what it means to be jailed for even 1 week’s (yes, 1 week’s) rigorous imprisonment. Right from the time accusation to the accused landing up in jail, he’s eyed with suspicion, nobody trusts him. He’s treated with derision. In the jail he feels total loss of control over his life. He is alone in the jail with no emotional support. Perhaps. Would be bullied by fellow convicts, & from the impression I have gathered (not from any reliable sources), he too might be raped. He suffers this ordeal for 1 whole week. After that he’s released. The stigma of being a convict always stays. He’d be disallowed from most government jobs, perhaps, even admission to educational institutes would be denied. It is somewhat possible that the family members would disown him. Very few would be willing to marry him.
Yes, I might be pointed out that “the rascal was a rapist! He ‘deserves’ such punishment”. But point I want to make it is, most experiences are equally painful/pleasurable irrespective of whether they happen to one labeled as ‘criminal’ or not. If you slap a convict or a non-convict, it pains *equally*. So, the idea that for criminal any pain inflicted is too small is a very dangerous one. We have to have a sense of proportion in what sentence we award.
Someone in the linked article had very rightly pointed out that rape ends up being a much worse crime than it would otherwised be, because of familial & societal attitude towards the victim (unfortunately, we can’t assert here, “society is a big lie”!). So, if we keep these things in mind, then, even 1 weeks’ rigorous punishment is not “too less” for the crime of rape. But what’s important is that each case must get convicted….
You're right that rape is made a much worse crime because of what people say about the victim. In fact, I would view a rape victim as someone bitten by a mad dog – it sure sucks, but it's not her fault. And in this case, the rapist is behaving pretty much like an animal…
“In fact, I would view a rape victim as someone bitten by a mad dog..”
In that case, your argument against death-penalty for the rapist is even more puzzling and bizzare, and makes no sense. We all know that mad dogs that bite people are either shot or put to death.
Unfortunately, mad dogs can’t be cured. There’s no evidence to show that a human being can’t reform himself/herself.
So you admit that the analogy you used – of being bitten by a mad dog – was wrong?
BTW, the burden of proof that a criminal has reformed is on the criminal himself. Once a person commits a crime – and one as heinous as rape – the trust that’s given to him is gone, and now he will have to earn it, instead of being handed to him. Other members of the society don’t have to give evidence that a criminal can or cannot reform himself. Besides, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence – that’s a logical fallacy.
What I don’t understand is why are you so sympathetic to the criminal, whereas from reading your post and comments, it seems like your heart doesn’t bleed for the victim. And justice is not the same as revenge. Just because people want justice and are emotional about an issue does not equate to revenge.
All analogies are imperfect. Taken to this extreme, of course, the mad dog analogy is subject to this imperfection.
But what about the points I’ve made in my post. Do you deny that awarding the death sentence for rape will lead to more murders, or that cases will take longer to prosecute?
Do you deny that there are even more serious crimes than rape? What punishment will you give such people?
What would you do? And how will you address the five negative consequences I’ve talked about in my post? Otherwise your argument is just emotional “Aisa nahi hona chahiye!”
Is there some mechanism by which commenting quick succession is not possible. Is that to prevent spamming? If so, then it is very inconvenient to to try to correct one's typos!!
I just corrected your mistake Ketan, don't worry.
I don't know about the quick succession part – did you try and post in succession without success?
…Then, another dangerous idea that is floating around is that “as it is most rapists go scot-free, let’s compensate that by giving harshest punishment possible to those who we *manage to catch*. Of course, nobody words it like this, but that’s underlying sentiment, in other words a convicted rapist must also suffer on behalf of those who the society, prosecution & judiciary combined couldn’t convict! Amazing!
I think those who truly feel for the victim would try to explain that the victim needs to be supported, society must stop taking sexuality so seriously. Moreover, it needs to be understood that what happened to the victim was beyond her control! Important thing is to *allow* the victim to feel normal, for simple reason that she *indeed* is a normal human being, except that had to undergo something terrible (i.e., rape).
But the moment people prescribe punishments that demonstrably much severe than the crime committed, I see little difference in such exhortations than the ‘religious leaders’ exhorting killings of thousands to avenge the death of one.
It's as if there's a fixed amount of punishment that has to be distributed amongst those who are caught!
Osho propagates the idea of counseling & corrective measures for criminals rather than prison. At first it seems a silly idea, but when one thinks of it, there is a point in it.
Excellent topic, Bhagwad! And great analysis too.
The point is, we make 'mistakes' fully aware of the consequence. When a rapist is conscious that HE CAN GET AWAY with Rape, he does it. If he were afraid about being hanged till death, he probably will not do it! Fear of capital punishment itself could help reduce the number of rapes that occur!
The problem here is, people could misuse such a law, to punish 'innocent' folks. Or like you have rightly said, the number of murders could shoot up.
Despite that, I actually think capital punishment is a good idea. If nothing, it will atleast install fear, and we can hope or pray for a better tomorrow.
But what happens when they have served their sentence? Who monitors their movements? What stops them from a repeat offense?
And pedophiles deserve a death sentence.
Isn't that a charge against all criminals and not just rapists? What's the alternative. In principle, we must give people a chance to start over and forget about their past mistakes.
There are many shades of what we call paedophilia. On the one hand we have obviously wrong cases where someone kidnaps a 10 year old and rapes them, and on the other hand we have consensual sex between say a 22 year old and a 17 year old. Both these cases are treated the same as per the law, but would you say that the latter deserves the death sentence?
Death…? No! To me this is like getting freedom. No they should torture them and i mean torture then for the crime they have caused! The poor soul they have harmed lives the rest of there life afraid,scared,and sometimes even never wanting to do "that" again because of this. Now this is just my thought and yes its cruel but so is forcing someone into something like this… also imagine how the spouse of the victim feels or family… Yes, they want revenge i mean honestly if your wife had this happen to her tell me, could you honestly forgive the man to harm your wife in such a way? ill leave that to each individual to decide all i am saying is torture is payback and would make the family and or partner happy to see the evil person who has done this to there loved one was feeling a pain just the same if not worst….
So what do you think if it was if it was your loved one would you pick Life,Death or Torture?
I understand how you feel. But when someone's family member has been killed or hurt, they're not thinking straight. We can't just give them what you want.
The law is about justice and not revenge.
I've tried to give reasons as to why the death sentence cannot be given for rape. What do you think of those reasons?
Bhagwad Jal Park don’t give that shits.you said ” i think rape victim as someone bitten by a mad dog’.don’t you know what the most plausible solution is when a dog goes mad?
Good catch! But for a rabid dog, there isn’t a cure. It’s not as if a rapist has an incurable disease. Punish him/her and let them go.
Are you actually serious…. If not capital punishment I would say removal of that part of the brain that causes human beings to rape. Do you know why it is so common for people to rape? I tell you because of laws not being strict enough. Do you think a person that has been rape cares about if a rapist can be saved or not. Have you ever been raped, hold against your will? Bhagwad that your name right, you have no clue what you’re talking about. Excuse me but as women we walk in fear everyday of our lives not to be killed but rape. Rape is murder. That person will most likely never be the same. Something dies inside them. Some women suffer psychological disorders, multiple personalities, or even take their life to not remember that day. There is no chance to start over for a rapist, can a person or child that is rape can erase their memory for them to start over? No they have to deal with it or pay numerous amounts of money for counseling. Let me tell you something I am in school studying and I will find a way to raise the bare on rapist. Not now but years from now it will be changed and I will advocate for it. No person deserves to be rape that is murder and no rapist deserves a second chance. Yes, a rapist can kill their victims but that deserves the same punishment. You said that if the punishment be is raised to capital punishment that would not stop a rapist from killing their victims not to talk moreover, how would the victims even point the rapist out if dead? Then I ask you how in the world there are people that have gone to jail if their victims died? No one will be in jail for murder. Only men that have been raped themselves can truly understand the hurt and pain a victim goes though everyday of their life. Many people like you speak of things that you have no clue about especially because you as a man what do you have to truly fear? Do you see many women walk at night by themselves no, but you see men. I wonder why? Maybe cause its harder for man to get raped. So instead of defending a rapist defend the victim. A women or child that says they are raped should be investigated. Look at what happen in the Congo hundreds of women were raped and children. If it happens all over the world it is common and should be stopped. Or holy muder in some arabic countries if a women is raped she is considered wrongful and the rapist goes unpunish. That is what your doing protecting the rapist instead of the victim that is what causes our society to be injust and law systems to be weak. Your research is not accurate and your opinion is fickle. It was indeed humorous when you try to say civiliazed society, a person that rapes is not civilized they are indeed an animal and should be judged as an animal do to the reason that they did not control themselves. One more thing a single act is all it takes for a person to never be the same again. So when you sleep in your bed nice and walm try to think about all the women in the world including your family and children and wonder if ,I was hold down against my will raped once or by multiple times do I give a damn about that person’s right if they themselves tried to take away my entire life or hurt my family. Rape is murder that person can never come back mentally or emotionally the same again. Physically you will see them but as a ghost of who they once were. Some do become stronger yet only few. One more thing, the law is about justice and we as humans determined what it is every year. Laws change when people change it is not revenge it is just. slavery was once normal yet it was abolished, in the Americas though killing and several deaths so why cant rape be abolished too. Thank you, sincerely Lily
Thanks for sharing your feelings Lily. I feel the point you’re trying to make. Believe me I do. I understand that rape is a terrible crime and that there’s no going back for a rape victim. I’m not disputing anything you say.
But we can’t always do what we feel. We have to think things through. The five reasons I’ve given for not awarding the death sentence to rapist are valid ones. You’ve tried to address only one of them – namely that murderers also get punished. But you can’t really deny that in two situations were a victim can talk and when a victim is killed, the latter is more difficult to analyze and convict.
And yet the other points remain. They can’t be wished away. I’d like there to be a way around these points, and perhaps there is. But we can find that path only by analyzing and thinking things through without getting emotional about it. Awarding the death sentence for rape can make things worse for the victim as I’ve tried to show in my other arguments.
Thank you and Good back, I did not address all of the topics. I concur it is more effective for a person to prosecute a sexual predator if the victim is alive. However I do believe strongly that rape is murder in many aspects. I disagree with the statement getting emotional; I am being assertive with evidence. I am definitely compassionate though about others that have been hurt. Instead of awarding the death penalty there should still be crucial laws implemented for rape, my suggestion would be looking into the hypothalamus. Sincerely, Lily.
I would say it depends on what your motives are. As a deterrence, harsher punishments have rarely served the purpose. In old times, there were many barbaric punishments – the iron maiden, wheels on which you were strapped and rotated, chopping off hands etc…And yet we live in an age where crime is at its lowest level in history despite doing away with such barbarities.
If the motive is revenge and not reform/justice, then yes you have a point. But many, including myself are not entirely comfortable with using the state as an instrument of vengeance.
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One must understand the underlying principles behind the murder law: murder is, in a nutshell, the ultimate desecration of human life. People who commit cold-blooded murder, by disregarding the sanctity of life, therefore forfeit the sanctity of their lives.
Rape, in many cases, is similar, and in some cases, is worse: trauma to rape victims is life-changing and permanent, and when many of these contemplate and commit suicide, the rapist is essentially committing a double crime – rape, AND coerced suicide (akin to murder/manslaughter). Since, in terms of crime committed, this is worse than a solitary murder charge, a death sentence is not illogical/unethical, and certainly just.
That said, this is of course for a worst-case scenario, and the law should not judge on absolutes. Consensual sex between a major and a minor, which is considered statutory rape, cannot ever compare to serial paedophilic rape and torture, for example. Justice should be meted out according to the severity of the crime. Therefore, the courts should not award a death sentence merely for rape, but reserve capital punishment for extreme, gross, cruel cases.
Agree completely Dhruv…thanks for dropping in!
Uhm, hi. My name is Kaitlyn, I am 16, and I am currently a Junior in High School. I’ve read all these comments and, personally, I agree with the death penalty. Rapists rape to humiliate, not for sexual plesure like most think. Rapists want to hurt and humiliate their victims, see them cry and ruin their lives. Bhagwad, you have no idea what you are talking about. Lily, you seem to at least grasp an understanding of what victims go through. Even though I have been raped, I am one of the lucky few that has full support behind me. I was raped exactly a year and 21 days ago, and I deffinately have not been the same since. All my grades dropped, I couldn’t sleep, if I tried to sleep I’d have nightmares, and I saw the guy who raped me in the mall once and fainted (he didn’t recognize me because I had my hair cut really short). I can’t even hug guys that smell like the guy who raped me. When I first told my guidence counsler exactly a month after it happened, she didn’t believe me, and made me wait until Friday to tell the school Psycologist instead of reporting it. Not being believed I think hurt me almost as much as being raped. I can’t trust any of my guy friends anymore and for a short period I reverted back to how I was in middle school– majorly immature TomBoy. I hit guys playing around with them, I broke up with my boyfriend of 1&1/2 years, and I started dressing in guy clothes again. As I said before, though, I am one of the lucky ones. I’ve learned to forgive myself for what happened, just recently the nightmares stopped, I’ve been going out with someone for almost 2 months now, I got straight A’s on my last report card, and I am more mature than I’ve ever been. That isn’t the point, though. The point is that, for nearly a year, I was suicidal, depressed, angry at everyone, I fought physically and verbally with my family and friends and school staff, I wouldn’t eat, couldn’t sleep, scrubbed myself down daily until my whole body would bleed, and I isolated myself. It’s scary as hell for the victim and her/his family and friends. Before I reported the rape, my mother and boyfriend had no clue why I wasn’t talking to them or anybody and they were confused as to why I went from hyper, happy-go-lucky, optimistic, active me to a depressed, unmotivated, pessimistic extreme. My thoughts are probably extremely scattered, but I just pulled an all-nighter and it’s nearly 6am so yeah…
I agree with lily and Kaitlyn. Rape does permanent damage to a person. and the death penalty should be implemented like said in more extreme cases but even for less severe casses there still need to be a pretty harsh sentence. personally i cant even understand how someone would have it in them to do such a disgraceful act onto another person.
My solution to this would be to educate rape in schools so that from an early age people will know that if something like it happens they know what to do and that they need to report it asap preferably to a specialist service that can efficiently deal with the situation and set up a safe place for that person to stay obviously dependant on there situation say like they live with the rapist obviously under circumstances to prevent abuse of this system.
As a less harsh sentence man can be implanted with something that works similar to the rod for women but instead it will release a hormone to cancel out the mans sex drive making it imposible to become erect or make it severly painful obviously implanted just before leaving prison and this is a very possible solution and can work on pedophiles.
There should also be something in place so anyone can find out if someone is on the sex offenders list this would help make men think twice because they will be on it for life and the list should be updated with recent pictures of the rapist.
Im sorry about my grammer and spelling and i hope i made sense
Keeping records and punishing a person after they’ve served their time in prison goes against the principle that once a person is punished for their crime, they are to be able to start again.
After all, people can, do, and should change.
Hi,I agree with Lily and Kaitlyn about their views. I too have same feelings about the victim who face this. In short according to me a rapist should definitely sentenced life imprison. He should be sentenced death if his act and intentions were more cruel and a child rapist, one who rapes minor, a infant rapist should definitely sentenced death or death by electric chair. But the minimum punishment should be life imprison and for child rapist only DEATH………..thanx
My sincere apologies for the foul language I am about to use here, but it is hippie fags like you that have made this world more chaotic than it already was.
I personally believe that criminals should be given no second chances. If you break the law, you loose your so-called “fundamental rights”. After all, you as a criminal have already violated someone else’s rights, so why respect yours?
And if you served time in jail, I believe that the state should monitor your daily life by any means. As I said: no second chances.
Rape is, in any way (male-female, child rape, etc…) the second-most heinous crime after murder. In a way, it is just as damaging to the victim as if he/she had been murdered. It is possible that the victims may “get over it”, but they will live with the scar forever.
Also, by giving rapists the death penalty, would-be rapists will think about their horrible fates (hanging and electrocution being my preferred ways of execution) if they ever break the law. I believe that terror should be fought with even more terror.
You might be very experienced in using foul language and venting your frustration as you so ably demonstrate. Yet it’s significant that you haven’t logically refuted even one of the five points I’ve given against the death sentence for rape.
Guess you don’t have any intelligent way to debate a hippie fag like me eh?
P.S. Use foul language on my blog again and I’ll ban your IP address and warn all other websites and blogs to mark you as spam as soon as you go there.
Nice comment
As a P.S., I should also add that the courts should be more heartless. And no, I don’t believe people are capable of change.
Besides, looking it on the practical side, the taxes used on those inmates might (possibly) go to something better.
No mercy. No tolerance. No prisoners.
Only punishment.
Only Justice.
Interestingly, you should note that punishment and justice are not always the same thing. And the fact that you don’t believe people can change makes the world a sadder place for you. But that’s not my problem.
Nice topic .. I want this topic for the reason that it is also our topic for a round table discussion… I don”t agree that the suspect should be punish by death , If it”s happen you want is revenge and not justice …. punishment and justice is not always the same …..all people have a change to change there life and have a 2nd change……….life is so important to be wasted. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A RAPE SUSPECT IS BEING KILLED BY THE POLICE BECAUSE OF THE LAW OF DEATH PENALTY …. AND THE GIRL THAT HAS BEEN KILLED BY THE PERSON WHO RAPED HER.. ???
Holy crap! The people on here are heartless! Although most rapists do not, it IS possible for a rapist to change. A life is a life ( no I am not religious ) and who is to say who life is valued more? Death penalty for rapists with REDUCE the rate of rape reported because more VICTIMS will be MURDERED.
More people in the US lie about rape than those who actually do get raped!—TO EPIDEMIC PROPORTIONS.
By the way, based on posts I have read here, both sides are wrong on the difference between revenge and justice.
Justice is supposedly a justified revenge.
Sympathy for the victims? If they don’t accuse rape as a threat against people.
-Get real.
I do not agree with the death penalty for a rape for a multitude of reasons but this isn’t to say I am against capital punishment, I believe we should have capital punishment. But we cannot use capital punishment for rape crimes. For one it would be to extremely hard on the victims- especially children. Victims would have to testify against the accused multiple times and since most rapes are committed by people close or known to the victim this can be very hard on the victim. Even more so since the victim would be determining if they were put to death. They would not only have to live with the memory of a rape but now with the knowledge they assisted in taking a human life. Some may be consoled by the fact that their rapist is dead but most would be haunted far more then they already were.
Think for a moment, a young child raped by a family member must now help determine if that family member should be put to death. They must go through years of the event being brought back up in testimony. Any time they began to heal it would be brought back up and since death penalty cases bring top notch attorneys and tons of media coverage the victim would go through much more than if the sentence were something else. And whose to say they won’t change their testimony as to save that family member?
And when the penalty for a crime is death the jury tends to be more reserved, they don’t want that on their conscience. And even if they’re convinced the person committed the crime they may not convict simply because of the death penalty, this means criminals go free. Not to mention the vote must be unanimous and any case with the death penalty is automatically appealed which cost tax payers 2-5 times more than keeping that person in prison for life.
Also, the U.S. Supreme Court has banned the death penalty for someone convicted of raping a child. Here’s the article: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91878805
Thanks for that Tess. Yes – putting someone to death is not trivial. Neither should it be!
What are we to do if rape isn’t dealt with harshly? From what iv being seeing, no state has a death or even a life sentence penalty for rape. What can we do to change these lax laws into something that would bring fear into every sexually immoral rapist out there to deter them from ever committing or thinking of committing as something as vile as rape? Something must be done to insure the safety of our loved ones and friends. No man woman or child should have to deal with being raped and then having their assailant get off scott
free. It all comes down to the victim. They must try to go out and have their voice heard and speak out against their attacker. They immediately need to go to the police, or if they’re too young, and adult must be told. Parents or guardians, listen to your child. If he or she feels like something was recently done wrong to him or her, but can’t seem to explain it, due to their inexperience in this sinful world, try to get out the story. Do not just pass it off as a child’s story. Please listen to them. I know someone so very dear to me who was raped as a child. She tried to tell her parents, but they ignored her, thinking it as nothing more than a pretense to get attention. 12 years have passed since then, and I was able to convince her to tell her parents about it again, this time to some success, but there is no longer of any physical proof to put the slimy monster behind bars. California laws dictates that a person has 10years to report a rape, otherwise they won’t even bother writing a report. The rapist, now lives with his wife and adopted daughter in Hollywood, California. I fear for that child’s life, what will he do to her? There’s is no knowing or saying, but in conclusion, speak out and listen. Someone will be there to help u guide u thought these difficult times and be able to bring justice to the wicked. Be safe, keep your families safe, and don’t hesitate to defend your friends or family against evil people.
I think the death penalty should be an option in court even I’f the defendent did not murder his/ her victim . I know of several people who had been raped and I bealive the rapest of those victims ended there life in some way or another . It is a vary controversial subject to argue about . I my self am not sure . You stated that rapest might end there victims life’s after they rape I to agree that might/ will increase if the laws were changed .
Keep mase and a pocket knife at all times ladies , this world is beautiful but dark at the same time . God bless you all
I think we must differentiate between the married rapist and the unmarried rapist.The punishment for rape in Islam is stoning to death if the perpetrator is married, and if he is not married then one hundred publicallylashes or one hundred lashes together with banishment for one year. Islamic punishments are detterrent to close the doors of such heinous and abhorrent crimes in order to protect the dignity and modesty of women and that is the reason it has prescibed strict penalty.
But is the rate of rape lower in Islamic ruled country? I haven’t seen any data that suggests that’s the case. In fact, the rate of rape is usually far higher than in non Islamic countries.
How do you define rape?
When some crazed crackpot floozy creams rape because she didn’t get a promotion or because a male coworker looked at her the wrong way or because someone accidentally brushed against “her majesty” in the elevator?
This is ridiculous, rape is such an ill defined crime it should NEVER be punishable by death. Worse yet, there are so many false rapes reported, I wouldn’t mind giving those floozies who report it the death penalty.
In fact the current statute is excessively harsh as is for rapist, some of whom I believe didn’t do anything close to rape.
I voted ‘YES’ for death sentence for rape. For all those who voted ‘NO’, I have a simple question.
What would you do if your mother, wife, daughter, sisters are raped….would u like to see the person who raped die a terrible sudden death or follow the law of the land( which is usually toothless )?…..Lets say u happen to have a knife ( or a gun), would u attack the aggressor or call the police? ask yourself…make sure you do what you say when that actually happens to you or your close family member….
if not death I would atleast recommend pulling out both the eyes of the accused …………..
It’s not about what we would like to do. Islamic mullahs would like to kill me for being an atheist and a lot of hindus would like to see M F Husain hanged.
Also think about the American parents of a 14 year old girl who died in the Mumbai attacks. They said they forgive Kasab and pleaded for him to not be hanged.
Can we muster the same forgiveness?
In any case, we don’t hand out barbaric punishments in the 21st century. How about addressing the points I raised in my posts logically instead?
For all those who are against ‘death sentence’ against rape…I would like to propose this….Which is the person( who is against death sentence) is lock up in a room for a month and raped by many homosexuals for the entire month( expect ofcourse during food and rest room ). then at the end of the month I give an option to shoot all of them or approch the law to take its own course….thats it….cmon who is willing to take up this offer? show ur face, I would like to arrange that as an experiment to test human Prejudice. – Cmon good fellas help me out here.
There are some evil motherfuckers on here.
Ok a rapist whatever the situation, or how his life may have been when he was young. Doesnt deserve death. The person who got raped may be mentally damaged, maybe incurable. But will live, and may yet find happyness in their life. But the rapist who by all means commite a heinius crime, will die for his/or inperfection? That is ugly and wrong. He maybe even deserves torture to an extent. or a long sentence. But to kill him is just murder and in my eyes, just revenge in the highest form by murder.
I believe if someone murders someone it is fair that they get there life taken from them. I would be pleased if they even got tortured abit first, because no one deserves to die by the hand of others. but i guess in certain unpridictable and accidental murders can go with a pardon- like running someone over with a car who wasnt looking, even though the driver was driving perfectly fine.
But for a rape victim who is still alive, them consenting the death of the criminal is no less than them using the law as a tool to commit murderous revenge.
Whoever beileves that death is a sentence that should be given to someone who commits a crime other than muder, i really in my heart hope the make a mistake in their life and be KILLED because of it.
Bastards.
I can imagine the evil women who tries to use capital punishment as a tool to get someone innocent. Rapist will have the hardest of lifes in prison, especially child abusers. let them suffer in prison and atone for their crimes. If they repeat give them harsher penalties. Also casteration is going too far.
Okay! Death penalty may seem to be too much for rape. I had personally recommended YES for the death penalty. But after thinking about the increased possibility of more rape victims being killed due to it, I think it may be inappropriate.
But the present 7-year punishment for rape also seems like a joke to me. 7 years! Isn’t it too less. It should be AT LEAST 14 – 15 years of imprisonment.
I was raped a little over a year ago. The man was a 3x and now 4x affender. Trust me its not easy to prove rape. Even after your drugged with rufies in your system, bruses on your neck and arms, and him lieing about even having sex with you and there be a seaman sample proving positive.
trust me when i say this. If they are found guilty 99% of the time its not wrong and at least 90% of hte time they deserve the death penalty. My rapist walked free of the sex affender tag however has 3 felonies on him and is serving a year in prison for lieing about having ” Consentual ” sex with me.
Go figure… anyways he will be getting out of jail now and has no future in his career of choice i fear for my life and to be honest id rather be dead then keep living in fear of men, hating them, wishing death on people i don’t know because i think their all rapists and they only talk to me for a chance to get in my pants.
I was commited to Peak Hospital for 3 weeks because i tried to kill myself because of all this mess. Trust me its not gone and its never going away. I hate men i dont know and i will never give a male fair ground in dating. I just dont date anymore. Im now a mother of 2 the first one it didnt work out. The second, you know the story
Anyone who thinks rape is a minor crime is a sick fuck.
I’m sorry for what you went through. But where did you get the impression that anyone was questioning the fact that rape is a serious crime?
P.S.
80% of woman raped are dead before it even happens anyways. Statisticly 1 in 4 woman are raped in their life time.
This shit needs to stop.
Date rape is in cluded boys
Im a cop and ill tell you right now. If shes had anything to drink, its not fair game. Bringing a drunk girl home to have some fun cuz she says yes.. doesnt fly in court. Dont get urself in trouble.
Dont be that guy.
Tyrell
For you: Also casteration is going too far. ?
Not hardly imo this is the perfect punishment. They take something from me i can never get back. Them im gonna take that from them so they cant ever do it to someone else.
This is a very fair punishment. You dont wanna lose ur dick? then dont fucking rape people. Its not hard tog et laid these days.
And if it is for you… sorry bout ur luck but forcably having sex with someone is discusting. Not only to ppl get pregnant, aids, STDs, Feel dirty, get called whores when ppl dont believe you, the drama of court, the court costs if he isent found guilty, and ontop of all of that the mental damage that never heals.
CUT THE BASTARDS DICK OFF.