Why Your Reasons for Demanding a Tip are Wrong

Waiters are understandably upset about why I don’t tip and have given many illogical reasons in support of this ridiculous practice. Here’s a rebuttal of the most common ones.

Bullshit 1: We only Pay for the Food. Service is Extra

The menu price doesn’t include just the cost of preparing the food and paying the chef. It includes the restaurant setting, the tables, the cutlery, the effort and investment that the restaurant owner has put into the dining area. Now guess what? Since I’m paying for it, the restaurant has to give it to me. And how do they accomplish this?

Waiters. Ding ding!

See without waiters, the restaurant has no way of delivering the dining experience to me that I’m paying for. I’m paying for sitting down in a nice place. I’m paying for the air conditioning. I’m paying for the nice tablecloth and for my food to be delivered to me in a reasonable time. The menu price covers all this. Waiters are just the restaurant’s way of bringing me my food. Of fulfilling their part of the contractual obligation.

Bottom line. Servers are not independent contractors. They’re not an “extra” that you have to pay for. By hook or crook, the restaurant needs to deliver the product. Whether they use waiters or conveyor belts (a term that many seem to object to), is not my business. I don’t care. The waiters can just melt into the background and let me enjoy my food in peace. If the menu includes free refills or whatever, then waiters are required to deliver that as well. Why? Because…wait for it….I paid for it!

Bullshit 2: It’s the custom. It’s ‘merica!

Yeah right. You do realize that not all customs are created equal don’t you? Slavery was a “custom” back in the day and so was race and sexual discrimination. Anyone with an ounce of integrity does what they feel is right. There are many harmless customs in the world like bowing instead of shaking hands, or using chopsticks instead of forks etc that are morally neutral. It really makes no difference if you follow them or not.

But tipping? Hell no! It’s not morally neutral. If you get better service because you’re a good tipper, then you’re essentially paying a bribe to servers to get them to do their job properly next time. All customs have a limit. And tipping is such a convenient custom isn’t it? Hell, I wish I had a custom in place for people to just throw money at me.

And just in case someone feels I don’t appreciate the US, there are many great things about this country that I love and I’ve blogged about repeatedly. Freedom of expression, the way Americans show respect to their armed forces, the politeness of people as you walk by on the road, the work culture, the individuality.

I just don’t like tipping. It’s not as if a person has to blindly accept everything in a country without judgment. There are good things. And there are bad things. Just like everywhere else.

Bullshit 3: The cost of food will increase dramatically

Someone needs to do basic math. Increasing the price of food to pay minimum wage to waiters will not double the price of food. Some have even gone so far to claim that it’ll increase 4-5 times. Ridiculous. Totally, utterly ridiculous. Let’s dissect this rubbish.

As an example, I’ll take Chili’s. A waitress at Chili’s was so kind as to comment saying that the price of food at her restaurant will increase by 3 times – $30 for a $10 burger. Using the statistics she herself gave in her comment, there are 12 waiters (at full capacity) who need to be paid minimum wage. That’s $5 extra per hour per waiter making it a net total of $60 per hour that has to be added to the price of food on a full day.

$60/hr? For 12 waiters. That’s it! It’s peanuts. If you assume even that each waiter is serving just four tables. That’s $5 an hour extra they have to make from four tables. Even if we say that each table sits for a massive two hours, the extra paid per table is way less than $5. On the total bill. Worst, worst case scenario.

You know what? Customers won’t even notice. So stop the garbage about the prices of food going up several times to pay minimum wage. It’s utter nonsense. The only reason waiters don’t want this system in place is because they earn a hell of a lot more than than minimum wage using our tips. And they come across as the victims.

Waiters are Struggling Mothers/Students

Look, it’s not as if I don’t have sympathy for those who struggle in life. I just don’t think it’s my problem. And I specially don’t like it being impinged upon me. Generosity is one thing. Having money demanded from you is something totally else. Any tip I give is out of the generosity of my heart and I expect some gratitude for helping those in need. It’s not something I have to do since…refer to Myth 1.

Bottom line: Socially mandated tipping is a scam. I can’t believe how intelligent people have been hoodwinked into it. Probably because they like to come across as “nice” people and feel sorry for servers who hover around looking expectantly. Well, I find that irritating and I won’t buy into it.

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868 thoughts on “Why Your Reasons for Demanding a Tip are Wrong”

  1. http://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/whdfs15.htm

    Please go to this site and read… Educate yourself.

    Look, I understand not tipping… in the case of bad service. But if you go to a place where someone is serving you, it is most likely going to be a ‘Tipped employee’ place. If I go to a bar, I tip the bartender because they make my drink. When I go to a restaurant, I tip my server because they have brought me a drink, put my order into a system, helped to gather all of that food together and make sure it’s right, and brought it to my table…. And then make sure that my drink stays refilled and that their other tables are all taken care of. You claim they’re lazy and don’t do anything… Obviously, you’re fucking blind.

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  2. It IS the restaurant owners fault you are made to feel as if you have to tip. They ARE to blame for the dilemma that has you clutching your wallet in panic ruining what should be a relaxing experience. You earned every penny you spend in such an establishment, why should you go out of your way to pick up their obvious slack in employee compensation. I agree with you 100% because the customer is ALWAYS right. There would be no industry with out this ideology. The ole look over here shiny magic trick that has you shelling out the money you protect so well. The industry plays on that very yearned for entitlement and also happens to pay my bills. Why should they (restaurants) pay for what most people freely give?

    The thing is your not entitled to go out to eat. A restaurant is not a public park. You are in a privately owned establishment that is VERY clear on its terms. Your buying an exsperience. And the people in charge of creating this for you want more money than just the price of the items you buy there. How can you compare it to a nurse working in a hospital? Would you pay money for an er visit? Let’s walk closer to the relm of what we are talking about and compare it to maybe going to an amusement park. No hidden cost or fees there right??
    The monopoly lies in the consumer. If you have a problem with the way this luxury is being dispersed then don’t fund it. (Please do!!) You can spend your hard earned money elsewhere and let them suck money from another chump.
    Your debating right and wrong on a scale that only involves your personal benefit. SERVERS ARE PAID REALLY WELL! They work in a feild where they (usually) get paid a percentage of any items they aid in selling at said establishment. Job performance is instantly rewarded (or not) with each passing costumer. They DO work for every dollar they make and believe me its not all rainbows in the kitchen. You not tipping isn’t going to starve their kids at home but if everyone didn’t it would. Who cares how they make money? Maybe its your own unhappiness with the way you do making you feel that way. I don’t tip the guy at Wal-Mart but if Wal-Mart provided employees who were willing to get all my items together for me and put it in my car for me I would. If I couldnt afford it then I ll be doing my own shoping maybe next time. Or I could just ask them to knowing im not gonna pay them and then get mad afterwards about how rude they think i am. That is always an option right??

    You know what servers exspect because of the restaurants contract with them and shouldn’t take advantage of that knowledge. But yeah your right you dont technically have to.
    Who cares if you hear servers complain about tips? Although im sure you never have stooped so low as to complain about your job. A servers boss is the customer. If your a costumer it IS your job to pay me. Who set these rules? Not me. Now let me provide you with these things in the hope that you will pay me for it and dont get offended when i complain about wiping your ass for free. Or do. Whatever

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  3. The service industry’s way of lobbying to maintain a lower minimum wage, along with using the custom of tipping to justify keeping the discrepancy in wage, IS bullshit, along with how they don’t give legally required breaks. But instead of being an asshole with a blog as your way of expressing your concern about this matter, maybe take your grievance up with the government to get something accomplished.

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  4. Just stay home and make food yourself if you don’t want to be around people. You’re paying for knowledge and a guide in your experience, not just the food and a robot. Twat. No server that respects their position would ever jeopardize your food by tampering with it voluntarily. Go ahead and be a douchebag, we deal with plenty of you. Just know you’re going to get shitty service in return.

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    • In reply to AP

      With all due respect, it is a server’s /job/ to know about the food and to bring it. That is what they were hired to do. I don’t see anyone saying they are robots, but you can’t ignore what their job entails.

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  5. Honestly you are just a cheap fuck that is probably broke and I hope every waiter/waitress you come across spits in your food. Everything that you have said made you sound ignorant as shit and maybe you should just never go out to eat again :)

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  6. Dear Sir, (for some reason your post is anonymous) I don’t like tipping. I worked as a bartender for a while and don’t like the system. But tips are not demanded as you say. You’re slanting the picture. It is called gratuity. If someone gives you a look when you don’t tip that still falls short of a demand. Also waiters don’t just carry your food out. They are your advocate in the kitchen. Cooks have alot of orders going and a good waiter makes sure that your’s doesn’t get shuffled to the back or read wrong by a busy cook, even if by mistake. This is not reflected in the menu prices. And they don’t just walk the food out to you. They chop everything for the salad bar, they wrap all the silverware, take the chairs down in the morning and put them all up at night, vacuum up your crumbs, and a dozen other things. I think you already know this–who doesn’t–but it doesn’t suit your purposes to acknowledge it. But as I said I don’t like the tipping system (T I P S: To Insure Prompt Service) And there are countries that seem to do well without it.You say that employers underpaying the help is not your problem but I think the bottom line is you know the deal going in and if you don’t like it don’t go. Your’s truly TJ Ronck

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  7. I’m a waitress and have been for a while, and I love both the articles haha. It really is a fuckin joke. Clueless Americans I love it. Continue to give me your money for being nice to you even though I’m bitching about you to my co-workers. So dumb. It is what it is.

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  8. You are cheap piece of shit. I am a server and use my income to pay for graduate school. Yes, serving does not take education, but it does take skills. In order to manage a large section, you have to have very good time management, be able to melt-task, and have a very good memory. Sometimes I forget things, sometimes I am not the best server in the world, but I try my best and legitimately care about my customers. Except you. What kind of asshole expects to receive a service and not pay for it? You are the worst person alive. Go back to where you came from and never step foot on American soil again. We are good people. Apparently you are not. You act as though you are granted everything. People should bring you food on a tray and not expect anything back. I may bring people food, but I guarantee I am smarter than you, and I am obviously a better person. I am a poor graduate student but am always generous to others. Go back to your third world country and fuck yourself you inconsiderate son of a bitch.

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  9. Dear Mr. Bhadwag Jal Park (I’m assuming that is the name of the author and not just the name of the blogging site),

    Perhaps I’m wrong, but I actually like the gratuity system. The point of “tipping” in America (specifically America because in other countries, it is viewed as an insult to tip) is to allow the customer the opportunity to rate the service they had received and reward it appropriately and immediately rather than letting a corporation pay a whole slew of people the exact same amount for very different levels of work. You underestimate the full-extent of a serving job, and unfortunately will never understand it until you work in one yourself. Now:

    I AM GOING TO CHALLENGE EVERY POINT YOU MAKE. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO SPEAK TO ME, MATTHEW SCOTT, DIRECTLY. I MIGHT NOT COVER ALL YOUR POINTS, SO FEEDBACK IS STRONGLY ENCOURAGED, AND IF NO ACTION IS TAKEN, I WILL ASSUME YOU HAVE NO FURTHER COUNTER ARGUMENTS.

    1. You act as if you’re my best friend…
    I think you are mistaking professionalism for over-friendliness. This goes for any profession: you act friendly and professionally with any potential patron if you wish they pay you willingly. This is basically an unwritten rule in conducting ANY business practices that involve a customer. Unless you are OK with anyone and everyone interacting with you in a rude, ill-mannered way in any sort of business engagement, it’d be best you not use a server’s professionalism as an excuse to not tip them.

    2. You don’t get paid enough…
    I will admit. In a sense, servers are NOT paid enough, but probably not in the sense you are speaking of. Here is the scenario: say we did raise the minimum wage, and no longer had to tip. Whether you include gratuity or not, it is undeniably true that some servers will still be better at their job than others (as will be all people in all professions). Unfortunately, restaurants can’t track this though. There are too many wild-cards and variables to reward servers effectively and appropriately for good work. Corporations cannot measure what is good service (as this is subjective to an individual), and thus could not fairly give pay raises effectively to employees. So how do you fairly create incentive for people to do their jobs better? The answer: you can’t in that situation. Servers will do the bare minimum (if that) to maybe maintain their jobs, and that’s it. I can guarantee you that if you’re unsatisfied with service now, you really wouldn’t like it if servers treated their job like a mundane, boring task. There would be no drive, no reason to try harder.
    I challenge you to suggest a way in which incentive can be created for servers to do their jobs effectively should they not be tipped that goes beyond merely keeping their jobs. I can say with 99% certainty I will find a flaw in every single idea you suggest, with the exception of one. Lower the cost of food, and allow the customer (the individual with his or her own sense of what is “good service”) to rate the service. Let the customer decide exactly how much the service is worth. Not including gratuity basically tells the server that his time and energy are worth nothing to you. And if you can’t appreciate the job they do enough to even acknowledge they spent their time and energy to serve you, then do not waste their time and energy. It’s a very simple, fundamental rule that I would like to think even you follow: do unto others as you would have others do unto you. Would you like to be paid nothing for giving some stranger your time and energy merely on the premise that they don’t appreciate the job YOU do?

    3. You’ll spit in my food if I don’t tip you?
    How does this even work? The whole concept of tipping entails that the judgement of how much be tipped (if anything) is done AFTER you’ve eaten your food and are done with your meal. You rate the service AFTER you have received the service. Not before. I honestly think you just pulled an almost unheard of practice out of thin air, and twisted it to fit your argument in a way that doesn’t even make sense. Frankly, it’s merely a popular restaurant myth more than anything, but when it does happen, it’s not because of a bad tip that hasn’t even been given yet. It’s because of you (the customer) being overly difficult and demanding. That said, this point might as well have NO validity as to why you shouldn’t tip someone.

    4. Bringing me my food isn’t worthy of being paid extra…
    As I have mentioned before, you are generalizing the extent of work that servers perform. Unfortunately, you’ll never understand their struggle until you have waited tables yourself. But you are not paying them extra. You are paying what is owed to them in the first place for their time and energy. If the service they provided was so awful that it doesn’t deserve any sort of tip, then what is owed is $0, but if the service was fantastic, you should be fair. Hiding behind the excuse that it’s not a real job is a completely ridiculous and pathetic. If it wasn’t a required position in the workforce, it wouldn’t be there. End of story. But it is there, and it is real. How would you feel if I told you your “shop floor manager” job was relatively unskilled. So what if it prefers you have a degree in some sort of financial field? All it absolutely requires you to do is you to be able to read a manual, write/type things occasionally, and talk to people. No biggie. Anyone can do that. Same concept. I bet that makes you pretty mad, but let’s face it… That’s all you really do. It’s an opinion as to whether the job is considered to be unskilled or not, but is is not a stone-cold fact like the fact that it is indeed a job. As I mentioned before, your opinion tells people that their time and energy to please you (the customer) is worth NOTHING. The concept of gratuity is based on treating people the way you would want to be treated. Again, would you like to be paid nothing for giving some stranger your time and energy merely on the premise that they don’t appreciate the job YOU do?

    5. Money does grow on trees…
    This is my favorite part. That phrase implies that you don’t want to spend more than you have to, so why are you eating out in the first place? It is literally cheaper to buy the ingredients yourself and prepare the food yourself. If you’re such a penny-pincher, that’s what you ought to be doing. If you’re a penny-pincher, you don’t go out to eat. End of story. If you can afford to eat out though, then yes, you CAN afford to include gratuity to your total. And if you can do one and not the other, then you really shouldn’t be eating out in the first place anyways. Plain and simple.

    Bullsh*t 1) We only pay for food. Service is extra…
    Not quite put as eloquently as I put it, but in a nutshell, this is right. Restaurants lowered the price of their food to grant YOU (the customer) the opportunity to reward your server as you see fit for the service he or she provided. Think about it this way: if you lived in that world where servers were paid more, but that meant food costs were higher, you would still end up pay the SAME amount as paying for the food and then adding gratuity. It’s just in one case, its optional and the other case it’s seemingly less optional. Basically, you are telling the world that when given the choice, you would rather just not pay for service. You know you SHOULD pay for services of any kind involved in the restaurant-process, as you are causing people to put their time and energy into servicing you, but you choose not to for invalidated reasons.

    Bullsh*t 2) It’s the custom. It’s ‘merica!
    I have never heard of this reason to tip. Seriously. If it was just left at that, I would have agreed with you. But you continued with your rant going into how if one tips well, then he or she receives good service. I don’t know anywhere in the US that tips before service, but where I live, you tip AFTER you receive service (as I’ve mentioned before… Seriously, like I’m dead serious. I want an answer, do people really tip before having a meal anywhere? Please tell me where if so). That said, everyone should be receiving good service because YOU judge them and their service; its NOT THEM judging you and your money as you make it sound. You aren’t bribing servers to work harder. They work hard regardless with the hope that you tip them accordingly. It’s not demanded, it’s not expected. Will servers be upset when they aren’t tipped as much as they think their service was worth? Yea, but anybody will be unhappy when they aren’t satisfied with the result of a job that they worked for.

    Bullsh*t 3) The cost of food would increase dramatically.
    Yea, 3 to 4 times is a little excessive. That is bull if someone genuinely believes this. To simply compensate servers, prices would increase anywhere between 15%-20% of sales, you know, average gratuity percentage. And that would be the MAXIMUM prices should increase reasonably merely to accommodate veteran servers (who are accustom to that particular level of income) with a similar pay-rate. I think this accusation (if as extreme as you mention) is completely untrue. I think this is the only thing I will actually agree with you on.

    Bullsh*t 4) [I think… It’s not labeled as BS] Waiters are struggling mothers/students…
    Yea, no, not every waiter falls into one of these two categories, and you shouldn’t tip them out of sympathy. You should tip them based on the level of service they provide.

    Bottom line is that gratuity is not a scam. I have said it many times over already, but one final time: Gratuity is the customer’s chance to determine how much the service he or she received is worth. It gives the customer the power to reward good service and punish bad service. This is how servers get promoted, they continue to do a better and better job at efficiently and effectively serving people and consequently provide overall better service. I’ve pretty much countered all of your arguments with your own fallacies and misinterpretations (and possibly ignorance). As I said before… I want you to respond, Mr. Bhadwag Jal Park. I am challenging you to stand by your belief and prove me wrong. Otherwise, I’ll have the last words and I’ll be right by default. We wouldn’t want that, now would we?

    Yours truly -M.D.Scott

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    • In reply to Matthew Scott

      i’ll take you on:

      1. You act as if you’re my best friend…
      I think you are mistaking professionalism for over-friendliness. This goes for any profession: you act friendly and professionally with any potential patron if you wish they pay you willingly. This is basically an unwritten rule in conducting ANY business practices that involve a customer. Unless you are OK with anyone and everyone interacting with you in a rude, ill-mannered way in any sort of business engagement, it’d be best you not use a server’s professionalism as an excuse to not tip them.

      I don’t know about that; i guess servers who chit chat think the customer wants it, and bhagwad is telling them he doesn’t. do others appreciate it? an interesting question and I guess we don’t really know, i know i don’t but i consider myself something of an outlier

      2. You don’t get paid enough…

      “The point of “tipping” in America (specifically America because in other countries, it is viewed as an insult to tip) is to allow the customer the opportunity to rate the service they had received and reward it appropriately and immediately rather than letting a corporation pay a whole slew of people the exact same amount for very different levels of work. say we did raise the minimum wage, and no longer had to tip. Whether you include gratuity or not, it is undeniably true that some servers will still be better at their job than others (as will be all people in all professions). Unfortunately, restaurants can’t track this though. There are too many wild-cards and variables to reward servers effectively and appropriately for good work. ”

      welded those two parts together since they talk about the same thing. How do you measure the work of any employee providing service rather than any kind of a product? you don’t, so you pay them all the same and try to encourage them to work hard, possibly giving raises for experienced workers whose managers think they’re doing well. Also, customer satisfaction surveys. Tipping is certainly a way to do this, but it isn’t the only one.

      3. You’ll spit in my food if I don’t tip you?
      How does this even work? The whole concept of tipping entails that the judgement of how much be tipped (if anything) is done AFTER you’ve eaten your food and are done with your meal. You rate the service AFTER you have received the service. Not before. I honestly think you just pulled an almost unheard of practice out of thin air, and twisted it to fit your argument in a way that doesn’t even make sense. Frankly, it’s merely a popular restaurant myth more than anything, but when it does happen, it’s not because of a bad tip that hasn’t even been given yet. It’s because of you (the customer) being overly difficult and demanding. That said, this point might as well have NO validity as to why you shouldn’t tip someone.

      read the comments section of that article for examples of this behavior

      all you’re saying is why those servers are stupid, entitled assholes, which was also his point. it doesn’t happen too often? but isn’t it interesting that they thought it was in any way justifiable in the first place?

      4. Bringing me my food isn’t worthy of being paid extra…
      As I have mentioned before, you are generalizing the extent of work that servers perform. Unfortunately, you’ll never understand their struggle until you have waited tables yourself. But you are not paying them extra. You are paying what is owed to them in the first place for their time and energy. If the service they provided was so awful that it doesn’t deserve any sort of tip, then what is owed is $0, but if the service was fantastic, you should be fair. Hiding behind the excuse that it’s not a real job is a completely ridiculous and pathetic. If it wasn’t a required position in the workforce, it wouldn’t be there. End of story. But it is there, and it is real. How would you feel if I told you your “shop floor manager” job was relatively unskilled. So what if it prefers you have a degree in some sort of financial field? All it absolutely requires you to do is you to be able to read a manual, write/type things occasionally, and talk to people. No biggie. Anyone can do that. Same concept. I bet that makes you pretty mad, but let’s face it… That’s all you really do. It’s an opinion as to whether the job is considered to be unskilled or not, but is is not a stone-cold fact like the fact that it is indeed a job. As I mentioned before, your opinion tells people that their time and energy to please you (the customer) is worth NOTHING. The concept of gratuity is based on treating people the way you would want to be treated. Again, would you like to be paid nothing for giving some stranger your time and energy merely on the premise that they don’t appreciate the job YOU do?

      i could go on and on about shop floor managers and their required skills, talents, difficulty of the job, etc,

      or

      “$55,000” average yearly salary of a shop floor worker

      “$15,080” average yearly salary of a minimum wage worker

      the market has spoken

      and yes, tips are extra, as defined by the fact that they’re not a requirement.

      5. Money does grow on trees…
      This is my favorite part. That phrase implies that you don’t want to spend more than you have to, so why are you eating out in the first place? It is literally cheaper to buy the ingredients yourself and prepare the food yourself. If you’re such a penny-pincher, that’s what you ought to be doing. If you’re a penny-pincher, you don’t go out to eat. End of story. If you can afford to eat out though, then yes, you CAN afford to include gratuity to your total. And if you can do one and not the other, then you really shouldn’t be eating out in the first place anyways. Plain and simple.

      yes, anyone who isn’t willing to shell out all their money shouldn’t do anything enjoyable at all

      oops your argument is worthless

      Bullsh*t 1) We only pay for food. Service is extra…
      Not quite put as eloquently as I put it, but in a nutshell, this is right. Restaurants lowered the price of their food to grant YOU (the customer) the opportunity to reward your server as you see fit for the service he or she provided. Think about it this way: if you lived in that world where servers were paid more, but that meant food costs were higher, you would still end up pay the SAME amount as paying for the food and then adding gratuity. It’s just in one case, its optional and the other case it’s seemingly less optional. Basically, you are telling the world that when given the choice, you would rather just not pay for service. You know you SHOULD pay for services of any kind involved in the restaurant-process, as you are causing people to put their time and energy into servicing you, but you choose not to for invalidated reasons.

      A: bhagwad pointed out he has no problem with a gratuity
      B: food costs wouldn’t go up by very much, since servers are routinely overpaid by tips. so, not the same
      c: those people’s time and energy are being rewarded by their wage.

      Bullsh*t 2) It’s the custom. It’s ‘merica!
      I have never heard of this reason to tip. Seriously. If it was just left at that, I would have agreed with you. But you continued with your rant going into how if one tips well, then he or she receives good service. I don’t know anywhere in the US that tips before service, but where I live, you tip AFTER you receive service (as I’ve mentioned before… Seriously, like I’m dead serious. I want an answer, do people really tip before having a meal anywhere? Please tell me where if so). That said, everyone should be receiving good service because YOU judge them and their service; its NOT THEM judging you and your money as you make it sound. You aren’t bribing servers to work harder. They work hard regardless with the hope that you tip them accordingly. It’s not demanded, it’s not expected. Will servers be upset when they aren’t tipped as much as they think their service was worth? Yea, but anybody will be unhappy when they aren’t satisfied with the result of a job that they worked for.

      what you’re saying is entirely reasonable

      tell it to the servers who use these arguments, please

      Bullsh*t 3) The cost of food would increase dramatically.
      Yea, 3 to 4 times is a little excessive. That is bull if someone genuinely believes this. To simply compensate servers, prices would increase anywhere between 15%-20% of sales, you know, average gratuity percentage. And that would be the MAXIMUM prices should increase reasonably merely to accommodate veteran servers (who are accustom to that particular level of income) with a similar pay-rate. I think this accusation (if as extreme as you mention) is completely untrue. I think this is the only thing I will actually agree with you on.

      didn’t you just use it before?

      also, why would they increase by the same amount of average gratuity? do you really think server’s tips add up to minimum wage? if so, then this entire problem is overblown, but i don’t believe this is the case

      Bullsh*t 4) [I think… It’s not labeled as BS] Waiters are struggling mothers/students…
      Yea, no, not every waiter falls into one of these two categories, and you shouldn’t tip them out of sympathy. You should tip them based on the level of service they provide.

      Bottom line is that gratuity is not a scam. I have said it many times over already, but one final time: Gratuity is the customer’s chance to determine how much the service he or she received is worth. It gives the customer the power to reward good service and punish bad service. This is how servers get promoted, they continue to do a better and better job at efficiently and effectively serving people and consequently provide overall better service. I’ve pretty much countered all of your arguments with your own fallacies and misinterpretations (and possibly ignorance). As I said before… I want you to respond, Mr. Bhadwag Jal Park. I am challenging you to stand by your belief and prove me wrong. Otherwise, I’ll have the last words and I’ll be right by default. We wouldn’t want that, now would we?

      Yours truly -M.D.Scott

      you really could’ve left out those last 3 sentences

      bottom line: other service industries aren’t based on tips, and they seem to work just fine. Why? How do they do it? questions worth asking.

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      • In reply to tehy

        Tehy,

        A lot of your rebuttal was 99% composed of copying and pasting Matthew’s work without actually making any arguments. Your arguments were lacking, hard to point out, or simply not there. I think Matthew’s arguments were very professional, truthful, and insightful. I wasted time scrolling through your post just to see if you had even typed any of your own words. Thank you for the great read, Matthew.

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