It never fails to shock me how a tip is demanded in the US. People simply refuse to listen to reason when we (yes, there are others!) tell them that leaving a tip isn’t necessary. Well, I’m hoping for too much here, but if you’re a waiter, here are 5 reasons why I will try my best not to give any money to you and why the reasons for tipping are crappy.
1. You act as if you’re my best friend
Just leave me alone ok? I don’t want to bloody chit chat with you. I want food. FOOD! Get it? It’s a restaurant. I go there to eat. I go because I want either Italian food, Chinese Food or something else which I can’t get in a McDonald’s. So I come to a restaurant to fulfill my cravings for it. I will pay for what I value – food. Not you.
Christ, you offend me – kneeling down next to my table, pretending to like me and chatting as if you’re my best friend when it’s obvious that all you’re after is the tip! I’m not a bloody money bag you know. I will pay the bill which includes the cost of the food, the environment and the salaries of the people involved – nothing more.
The only way to get money out of me that I don’t have to legally pay is by prying it out of my cold dead hands…
Bottom line: I don’t want to know your name, or interact with you for any longer than I have to in order to place my order. As far as I’m concerned, you’re the equivalent of a conveyor belt that brings me my food and a computer into which I input my order. Of course, I won’t be rude. But don’t expect me to interact with you any more than I would with some stranger.
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2. You don’t get paid enough
And this is my problem how exactly? It’s astonishing that customers are expected to make up for your employer’s cheapness in not paying you a decent wage. Please include the full cost in everyone’s bill thank you very much. I’ll pay it because I have to and the charge is there for me to see.
What’s really funny here is that no one seems to criticize the employers! All criticism is reserved for non tipping customers instead of the owners of the restaurant for not paying a decent wage. Wtf! Could it possibly be because you guys know you can make much more by tips and under report your income to the IRS?
3. You’ll spit in my food if I don’t tip you?
And I’ll shoot your kid if you don’t give me a million dollars. Seriously, am I even hearing this right? You’re actually using the threat of blackmail to make me pay you? Well as long as you’re openly claiming to be a criminal it’s all right I guess.
Fortunately that’s why I prefer buffets. Listen apart from it being illegal, this shows your poor integrity. But if you spit in someone’s food because they didn’t give you money you didn’t earn, then you’re a loser and deserve to be a waiter for the rest of your life.
4. Bringing me my food isn’t worthy of being paid extra
Did you cook it? Did you invent it? No. You picked it up and brought it to me. While it might not be easy, there are plenty of jobs which are much worse – shop floor workers for example. And I’ve been a shop floor manager, so I know. Face it – compared to other jobs, being a waiter is unskilled. You get paid what the market will think your services are worth. You don’t deserve more for your work over and above what your employer should pay you.
5. Money doesn’t grow on trees
I expect you to be grateful and pray for me at night if I tip you 10%. Be happy I gave you anything at all. I worked for the money in my wallet and by giving you some I didn’t have to, I’m doing you a favor. Learn to remember that when people give you something they don’t need to, it’s a favor. You don’t complain that they didn’t give you more!
By the way, the same thing above applies to all professions that demand tips including those on cruise liners.
So now that you understand why I won’t give you money you don’t deserve, stop with the “oh how could you?” attitude. I can. And I will.
Update: Here’s a rebuttal of the many silly justifications for tipping that people have given in the comments section.
A pretty long winded way to say you are an arrogant, selfish, cheap cunt who has never worked in hospitality and deserves no respect.
In reply to Fuk u
If you want respect get a real job.
In reply to $Bill
I have a real job and would bet I make more than you, most waiters are in college or high school. How about if you want to eat at a restaurant don’t be a cheap cunt. This instills the stereotype of cheap Indians, who probably have bad hygiene and smell like bo, curry and shit. If you don’t like a culture that tips stay in your back ass, cow worshiping, caste system where you feel entitled to treat other people like shit.
In reply to Fuk u
I have homes in Aspen Colorado, and Key Largo Florida. I am pretty sure my property taxes are more than you make in a year. I often dine at restaurants that require reservations and proper evening attire. Dining at these places is not an inexpensive event.
As a waiter or waitress you are at the bottom of any caste system. Whether it be India or the USA. As a waiter you should only speak when spoken to, or when describing the special evening dinner menu.
You’re already paid minimum-wage for your unskilled job. Paying you extra in the form of a tip, is ridiculous and never going to happen. If you don’t like it that is too bad.
If you show me any disrespect, or poor service, you will instantly find yourself unemployed. Rich important customers are needed to keep a restaurant in business. Waiters and waitresses are a dime a dozen. You are very easily replaceable. Wealthy clientele is not. We are valued and appreciated.
In reply to $Bill
you’re failing hard at trolling. You never go full retard.
In reply to $Bill
Wow two homes, you must be royalty or something. That’s really not impressive, most people I know, including myself, have more than two homes…So since you have money you can treat people with disrespect? Your mind set and attitude is a cancer of this world and people like you should be treated as such. Keep living with your selfish, pretentious, parasite, cunt attitude and hope you never act like this in front of the someone like myself, it will be a rude awakening for you.
In reply to Fuk u
We all know you really are a dirt poor waiter. None of this is about me, you don’t like the fact that we don’t tip. You feel you work hard at your unskilled job and feel entitled to tips.
The truth is you’re very jealous about the expensive meals we eat and you want some of our money. I have a rude awakening for you, that is not how the world works. The world owes you nothing, get a better job loser.
In reply to $Bill
“Unskilled job” … Beside the fact that I disagree with basically everything you have said. This statement bothers me the most. It does take skill to be a server. Would you like your water or beverage to remain full? would you like all of your “special requests” or menu modifications to be honored? All while looking after an additional 5-10 tables totaling 20-30 guests… I would like to see you try to do it. And when u fail please go kick your feet up in ur aspen home and order takeout, but you really should tip the delivery driver too, so probably not. Maybe just cook yourself something to eat and stay home. Tipping is a cultural thing. In some countries it’s considered offensive, in which case I would not demand that they take my money. Most countries include gratuities in the bill automatically. If I was in a country where women should keep their heads covered I would not let my hair flow out of rebellion, because “you can’t make me” attitude. No, I would cover my head and respect the culture. People who don’t respect the culture should not partake.
Most people go out to eat for the experience… eating good food and the service of being taken care of… A service that they don’t get at home or at McDonald’s. If you dine out at “reservation only” establishments then I’m sure you are familiar with that level of service. It’s a shame that you do not value it
In reply to Lauren Wong
Your unskilled job it is even more simple and I imagined it to be. You are delusional to think your simple job is worth any extra money. The only training that you needed was how not to get lost walking from the kitchen to the dining room.
In reply to $Bill
Actually no. When serving you’re working at times 10 or more hours on your feet, with no break or food, looking after anywhere between 3 and 15 tables full of people that treat you like dirt a lot of the time. Also, you’re not paid minimum wage. You’re paid anywhere between $2 and $5 depending on the state and the majority of it goes to taxes, which you do have to claim (most employers track it to make sure). Not only are you ill-informed, you’re repulsive. And arrogant. And cheap. You don’t have to tip, but don’t expect good service. You’re not entitled to that or anything else. I used to serve when I was in school and just trying to get by. Now I have a “real job” as you put it and I’m doing great for myself. I promise you, serving helped me develop a lot of the skills needed to get where I am today, because not only am I good at multitasking and hard working conditions because of it, I’m also good at handling all kinds of people, even pieces of shit like you.
In reply to Former Server
Bravo Former Server! Bravo! I’m a career development specialist and I loved hearing all the skills you learned.
In reply to Former Server
**”Also, you’re not paid minimum wage. You’re paid anywhere between $2 and $5 depending on the state and the majority of it goes to taxes, which you do have to claim (most employers track it to make sure).”**
Federal law says servers must receive minimum wage with or without tips. Federal law supersedes state law, except where state law is more beneficial to the employee. If a server does not receive enough in tips to reach minimum wage, their employer must make up the difference. It is the entire income which is taxed, including tips.
Also, those are “skills” available at pretty much every job, but most people get them while in grade school. They are the skills required for studying, doing homework for different classes, and dealing with classmates and teachers. If you needed to work as a server to gain those skills, you were most definitely behind the pack.
In reply to Lauren Wong
Your comment just serves to demonstrate that you don’t understand what you are talking about.
Unskilled labor is a term that refers to any job that requires no formal education or extensive training.
They have trained monkeys to be servers. I’m saying that simply as a fact: there are restaurants with monkeys who provide service to customers where the customers rave about how much better they are than human servers. Disabled persons aside, anyone who could not do what a server does would never be able to successfully get or keep any other job that didn’t involve taking their clothes off.
In reply to What a joke
I actually went to one of these restaurants before with the monkey servers. They give you banana and apple slices to reward the monkey. The monkey is fast and does not complain.
In reply to $Bill
Fascinating reading all your comments.
How does it feel to know i work in australia as a supervisor/waiter on $26 an hour and taking home around 250-350 extra in tips a week?
The reality is you shouldnt have to tip and thats cool cos if you dont wanna know me ill give the bare minimum service required. Like you said earlier thats all youre after. But for those wishing to have a good yarn, let me help them to enjoy their night further and overall leave having had a fantastic evening will love the extra work i can put in. It doesnt have to result in a tip but mostly it will. Waiters play a game though where as soon as you walk in we judge you, are you gonna tip? Are you gonna be a nice person? You work how where to put your effort for the night.
As for unskilled, you must be blind and not a hospo veteran, ive seen many, many people unable to handle pressure and speed of a pumping saturday night service. It sounds easy right? Try looking after 100 people in 4 hours and let me know how that goes for you ahaha
In reply to Sixlip
Oh? How does it feel to earn $14 an hour less than the median income in AU in a country where consumer prices are 12% higer than the US, rent prices 13.5% higher, restaurant prices are over 15% higher, and more than 70% of the income of the country is from income taxes (higher than anyone except Denmark)? Not to mention that there is absolutely no tipping standard in AU, and rounding up to the nearest dollar is pretty common if any tip is left at all.
Oh, and since you insist that waiting tables is “skilled labor,” what college did you graduate from that teaches you to wait tables? I mean, people criticize American intelligence all the time, but our servers don’t need to go to school to get their job, so how dum must Australians be if they can’t figure it out without schooling?
In reply to What a joke
Dude, where is this monkey waiter restaurant, I gotta see it.
In reply to Richie C
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KeSQ5Rv7eH8
I was on a Tokyo Japan business trip. This little guy was the best waiter I ever had.
In reply to What a joke
Are you fucking serious? Where pray tell would that be???Mars perhaps?? Your comment is not only insulting to all who work in this business but to those who make it their livelihood as a business too..This whole article is just a plain arrogant douche call to attract other douches….just remember the next time you don’t tip is equal to the amount of pain and suffering you get per day,per week….it’s called karma.
In reply to vic
Karma expressly states that you get out what you put in. Given what I put in to charity, I’d say I’m pretty well set. Do you know what causes bad karma? Extortion, like the servers demonstrate here. Threats to poison, like the servers demonstrate here. Demanding pay (and no matter how much people say servers aren’t demanding tips, a look through the comments will show otherwise) for something that they’re already being paid for – namely their job.
I’ve found in my life that the more work I put in, the more I got out, and the more success I’ve had. That’s karma.
In reply to Lauren Wong
hell yea
In reply to $Bill
You’re a fucking idiot.
In reply to $Bill
Your just another egotistical american who can’t see that the people working on waitstaff are working with what they can get. As a server, I know exactly how it feels to run around taking care of 5 different groups, communicating with the line cooks and expo guys to make sure that each miniscule detail you requested, from extra crispy fries to no salt for Grandpa’s meal cause we are watching his intake, is accommodated and taken care of for you, the customer. Most of us don’t choose this job but we do it just to make ends meet, and after spending a day taking care of everyone else’s needs it’s a really shitty feeling to not have the favor returned in kind. Being a server doesn’t mean your at the bottom of the Caste System, it means your out there doing what you can to provide for yourself, and since everyone in America at least understands the payment system in the food industry, knows that servers live off of their tips. It’s all we have to pay our bills, feed our kids, pay off debt and invest in our future. If you can’t respect what servers do for you then you really shouldn’t be dining out. You go for the experience, not just food. If your looking for food then go to mcdonalds, but at a restaurant you go to experience a meal. To not have to worry about cooking or shopping for the food. If you don’t want to tip then that’s your choice, but if you aren’t going to tip then you should be informing your server of that prior to the meal so they can speak to management. And if your dining at “dinner attire necessary” establishments chances are they automatically add a gratuity onto your tab, which in layman’s terms is the tip.
In reply to $Bill
Yeah, really sounds like you do some fine dining when you list Italian and Chinese food as your examples.? Come sit at my bar and give me attitude about me telling you my name and smiling at you, while initiating conversation. You have no place in a restaurant and I’m quite sure as much as you don’t want to be served, whoever is serving you likely wants nothing to do with it as well. Treat a person with respect, treat an occupation with respect. Be a fucking human and understand that these concepts were here before you and I were. Tipping is enstilled in the history of this country. Stay at home, nobody wants you at any of their establishments, dickhead.
In reply to Mike
Yeahhh, keep telling yourself Olive Garden and Panda Express are anywhere near Del Posto or Hakkasan. I bet your bar is just as classy as 21, too?
And your belief that a custom that started in Europe as early as the 16th century but didn’t make it to America until the mid 19th century when wealthy people traveled to Europe and picked up habit of flashing their money around to show how wealthy they were, and how they could get commoner serving staff to do all sorts of crap for an extra nickle as something instilled* in the history of a country that goes back to the 15th century (in terms of white settlement) is droll. You know some customs actually instilled in the history of America? Enslavement (and not just talking Africans), segregation, classism, and treating women as second class citizens. But clearly tradition is more important to you than what is sensible or correct. Did you know that the tip credit, which is what allows employers of tipped employees, didn’t exist until after WWII and was created as a RESULT of tipping? Even then the amount was very small, since tips were generally only for exceptional service and nowhere near the absurd levels they are today.
In reply to $Bill
Who is this person??? Show your face or name at least…this is plain sickening. At first it was the tipping issue but now you are explaining that you feel you are better than others. Obviously, you’ve proven the exact opposite. Everything always has a way of coming full circle, don’t forget that.
In reply to Sg722
Hypocrite much?
And whether he’s better or not depends on how one measures it.
1. He certainly makes more money than a server.
2. Is more financially stable than a server.
3. Provides jobs for people, which a server does not do.
4. Pays more in taxes than a server, due to tax brackets, which funds more public services.
5. Provides more for his family than a server, allowing them to go to the best schools and have greater success.
6. Can afford better healthcare than a server.
7. Can (and likely has) experienced more of the world than a server.
8. Is happier with life than a server will ever be unless they improve their station.
That last one is a big one because, while money may not buy happiness, it certainly prevents the misery of poverty. I’ve been homeless, and have done volunteer work with the homeless, so I can guarantee that being wealthy is a lot nicer than worrying about whether you’ll be able to pay your electricity bill, or what will happen if the car breaks down tomorrow.
By proxy this means he helps his loved ones as well as his employees be happier and have more satisfactory lives.
He is as important to people in his life as any server is to people in their lives, plus improves the quality of lives around him.
The fact that he doesn’t believe people should get extra money they haven’t earned for a job that already pays them, and especially those unwilling to better themselves by working harder and getting better jobs, does not make him a lesser person.
After all, he doesn’t disrespect Zeus despite the lack of college education, nor me despite my humble beginnings, because we both were willing to do the work to improve our lives and the lives of those around us.
In reply to $Bill
I find this whole thing funny. If you don’t wanna tip somebody just don’t do it you don’t gotta give reasons. like you said it’s your right not to. Defending yourself on why you don’t just implies that you’re doing something wrong. Quite frankly I couldn’t care less what you do in your life I just wanted to let you know you look stupid as do any of the people on here fighting with these people on why they should tip. Live your lives and stop being 12 yr olds bitching about each other on some outdated blog. I feel sorry for anyone who has to associate with any of you pathetic attention seeking morons. Anyway I’m gonna go carry on with my life now. Any replies to this will be ignored but have at it. I’m sure someone will be waiting to put their worthless 2 cents in
In reply to Aj
The problem with that perspective is that, in America, people VIEW it as something wrong if you do not tip (regardless of quality of service).
The same could be said of all those coming here to insist that they should be tipped, despite having no legitimate reason they should be beyond their belief that they should be given extra money for a job they are being paid to do.
We don’t get paid minimum wage. We usually are paid around 2.13/hour. Please consider getting takeout as opposed to taking up a table in someone’s section where others are more considerate.
In reply to Bartender
By law you make minimum wage, at least in the US. http://webapps.dol.gov/elaws/faq/esa/flsa/002.htm
This link is all over the comments.
In reply to Bartender
http://webapps.dol.gov/elaws/faq/esa/flsa/002.htm
You don’t get paid minimum-wage?
The above link says that you do!!!
That would make you a lying retarded piece of shit. No tip for you dumbass.
With or without tips you must make federal minimum wage which is $7.25 an hour.
In reply to $Bill
Bill$ is just a piece of shit troll, stop feeding it. How pathetic…
In reply to $Bill
Servers do not make minimum wage, usually about half of minimum wage which gets eaten by taxes so they never see a paycheck. I was a server all throughout college, it was the only way I could pay to further my education as I did not come from a family with money. The flexible schedule and cash each shift allowed me the funds and time to work and go to school. I am no longer a server as I have had my master’s for quite some time now, but this article and others’ ignorant comments do still get to me and all I can do is tell all servers out there to figure something else out for your life instead of letting your income depend on such people.
In reply to Marine
Apparently you can’t read. Federal law requires servers be paid minimum wage with or without tips.
In reply to What a joke
No, your wrong. What it states is that if you don’t make the equivalent of minimum wage per hour based on your tips, which is submitted daily after your shift into the computer systems or reported to the shift manager, your weekly paycheck will compensate for the difference. But the downside to that is that your taxed at a higher rate being a tip based employee and by the check comes taxes have eaten away at half or more of your measly paycheck. Please don’t assume because you read some page you know how it works, ask a manager or your server next time you dine out how the pay system works.
In reply to Cameron
Okayired to pay $2.13 an hour in direct wages if that amount plus the tips received equals at least the Federal minimum wage, the employee retains all tips and the employee customarily and regularly receives more than $30 a month in tips. If an employee’s tips combined with the employer’s direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the Federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference.”
It specifically says that an employer can only pay the decreased rate if all those conditions are true, and that the employer must ensure the employee receives the Federal minimum wage if the employee does qualify for the tip credit. It says RIGHT THERE that, “If an employee’s tips combined with the employer’s direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the Federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference.”
The additional text in the link adds that state laws that benefit the employee more than Federal Law would apply (which usually increased minimum wage). You can’t just add whatever the hell you feel like to the law because you think it’s true.
Also, you clearly have no understanding of tax rates. Taxes are tiered by income. You are not taxed at a “higher rate,” you are taxed at a rate that includes your tips as income, which they should because tips ARE income.
In reply to Cameron
You clearly have no clue how taxes work. You are in the lowest tax bracket. Tips are wages they’re considered the same. If you want more money get a real job.
In reply to Marine
You must have selective reading skills or are too retarded to click on the link $Bill provided. A seever DOES make minimum wage loser
In reply to $Bill
Just to clear up this debate of getting minimum wage… The answer is this. Yes, waiters ARE REQUIRED to get paid minimum wage. However, employers only initially pay a much lesser rate(which there is still a legal minimum amount) which is typically around $2.89 an hour. They do this because of the fact that servers generally do make tips. And most servers can’t argue that their tips MORE than cover the difference.
However in the off chance that whatever you make in tips plus your paid wage does not actually add up to the state/federal minimum wage(according to the total amount of hours you work in an entire week) than your employer is BY LAW obligated to pay you the difference. That is if you stick up for yourself and demand it.
Ok Bill..what’s your definition of a “real job?” it’s offensive what you’ve said but as a bartender, that has dealt with much rudeness before, I could care less. You’re entitled to your opinion. I’m sure that you’ll have something witty to say like insulting my intelligence but, you’re opinion of me doesn’t matter. Why if someone as rich as you who apparently despises servers so much even bother to go to sit at a restaurant with servers?! Haha. You prefer buffets right? Those restaurants have servers..they still bring you drinks, take your filthy dishes..it might seem unskilled to you but, we all work hard and for long hours! I work 10 to 15 hours a day most days..5 shifts a week.. It’s worth it to me though not just because of the money because I enjoy PEOPLE! I respect them even if they don’t deserve it. Something it seems you might have trouble with that being respectful. Servers and bartenders don’t work just make money but to provide a great place for our guests. We want you to come in and leave happy and satisfied.. So forgive the poor server that smiles at you or tries to be friendly, maybe it’s because that’s her personality not because she’s trying to suck money from you. The comment you made about just walking to the kitchen and grabbing the food..no that’s not exactly how it works..ever heard of the expeditor? If you haven’t look it up..you’re smart enough. Well servers do that too. Next time you have a terrible day at work and you might feel the need to berate someone or be rude..please stay home for God’s sake. P.S I would bet that at though ritzy places you dine at some of those people make more money than you… Just saying. yes, they do have to claim it..mangers combine a percentage of cash sales with electronic tips and can deduce how much a server brings home. Most corporate restaurants will not let you clock out without reporting your tips and if it’s less than 10% the manager must count it and verify. There’s no getting around that.
In reply to Gabrielle
You think you work hard because you work 5 days a week? Please! I work 7 days a week, much longer shifts and my job is much more stressful.
In reply to Zeus
you work 7 days a week?
In reply to Ell Torn
Yes I do. The only days I don’t work is Thanksgiving and Christmas. I work from 12-18 hours per day on average. Sometimes I work 36 hours straight with no breaks at all. I like to build up my portfolio and make sure my investments and busiess interests are maximized. I’m a workaholic. Could I just sit at home all day and make a ton of money doing nothing? Absolutely as I employ the best workforce money can buy. However, I like to work and oversee everything.
In reply to Zeus
I was exactly like you when I first started out. Let me help you out a little with some good advice.
Hire two certified financial planners from different states that don’t know each other to deal with your portfolio. Pay them a flat fee so no personal conflicts occur. Also have them sign a confidentiality agreement.
Have a software engineer create a customized business program for you. You already have a great work force so that is covered. I only have to check the program four times a day for highlights.
When the market closes at 4 PM Eastern standard time, The Financial program reviews the financial planners.
In 30 minutes time you can review your entire business including your portfolio. Relax enjoy your success a little. When was the last time you enjoyed the mountain air on your deck with a cup of Jamaican blue Mountain coffee? Just imagine going to bed at night, with nothing on your mind but sleep. Work smarter not harder. You already worked hard enjoy it now.
I used to be on blood pressure medication. No medication anymore I am 110/60
My favorite Harvard professor gave me that advice. He is 98 years old and still water skis.
If that isn’t a good plan I don’t know what it is.
In reply to $Bill
That is some sound advice sir. I am 40 and am set for life. Could easily retire tomorrow if I wanted. I was married for 12 years and have been divorced for 7. Thankfully I signed a prenup and the bitch got nothing since I started my wealth before we met. Since the divorce I just started working nonstop. Working under extreme pressure is very therapeutic for me. However I have built up a really nice nest egg and am in a new relationship. I never had kids as my ex couldn’t have them so I have nobody to pass my wealth onto. I’m going to take the day off today. Decided I’m going to take my girlfriend out to dinner at a very upscale place. Just made reservations for 6:30pm. I’m going to make the waitress work her ass off and of course leave no tip. I deserve to be pampered and treated like royalty tonight.
In reply to Zeus
I’m 52 yrs old now sir. I had two really good friends die from heart attacks. Stress really does kill, I am a firm believer now. One of my friends used to run in the Boston Marathon. Stress killed him. I figured I didn’t stand a chance. That is why I changed my life.
You worked hard for what you have. You deserve to be pampered and treated like royalty every day. I find it very therapeutic to bust the waitresses ass. Except on this forum , the word tip is not even in my thoughts or vocabulary..
In reply to $Bill
“Stress really does kill.” Tell that to the teenagers whose parents can’t afford to send them off to Harvard like you and therefore must work these “unskilled jobs” because they are currently trying to educate themselves and need the flexible hours usually associated with customer service jobs. These jobs, especially on a Thursday, Friday, or Saturday night from 4-8pm, are very stressful believe it or not, assuming you’ve never been in the customer service industry as an enrolled student and also employee to see that (based off of your ignorant and inconsiderate attitude). So to get to my point, you saying you’re going to dine out and bust your server’s ass for your own pleasure all while adding to that server’s already stressful job just to not be appreciated, not because you don’t have a couple bucks to spare because you’ve clearly made it clear that you do, but wasting their valuable time as a joke while another tipping guest could have been sitting in your seat. If you dine out for the food only and not the atmosphere, hire a cook to work for you personally so no waitperson has to go through an even more stressful situation and can please their guests. Getting back to my point, these teenagers, yes earning minimum wage and working long hours to support their education, are now subject to your added stress on top of schoolwork, friendships, family – but your life is more valuable? You are more superior? Saying you’re going to put aside your stress for a night out and dump it on some unsuspecting waitperson? Arrogance and ignorance.
In reply to Zeus
Loser. What a boring cunt you must be at parties.
In reply to Zeus
Well guess what we work thanksgiving and Christmas too to give all you selfish assholes a “nice holiday” and as for uneducated and not hard working are you kidding? I trained more and had to learn more for a serving job than I do my current day job. We have to babysit all you fools who come out expecting perfect service and you want to talk about allergies we have to know everything that is everything so all you people who make up bullshit allergies (and the ones who actually CAN die) are happy and safe. I have a masters degree and a career and have to serve all you entitled douchebags to pay my student loans. People like you make me sick and most of you couldn’t handle a day like we do. If someone treated you like you treat us I am sure you would have some choice words to say.
In reply to Atow
So the fact that servers work holidays somehow makes it “worse” than the fact that Zeus still works 7 days a week, every week, otherwise?
Your comment is confusing. So you got a master’s degree, which takes 5+ years generally, and the job you got with it took less training (which would include that 5+ years) than serving? How stupid are you that it took you 5+ years to learn how to be a server? Or do you have a useless degree? And you have to work two jobs to pay off your student loans despite having a master’s degree? And somehow you believe that it’s the responsibility of customers at restaurants to pay off your student loans for your clearly shitty degree, and somehow THEY’RE the entitled ones?
What the hell kind of drugs are you on?
In reply to What a joke
Why are you entitled to any service whatsoever if the server isn’t entitled to some respect? Ignorance is bliss my friend.
Side note: all these demeaning and condescending comments coming from you and Bill because your wealth somehow makes you superior is quite comical. Money cannot buy morals or common sense, apparently.
In reply to Someone
Because it’s your job.
And I have fantastic morals. I donate to worthy charities, do volunteer work (especially with the homeless, since I have been), and never break the law.
The fact that I don’t believe in paying somebody for doing a job they’re already paid to do does not make me immoral. Expecting to be paid for a job you’re already being paid to do – even demanding it – is immoral.
In reply to What a joke
Fair enough.
In reply to Zeus
That was not the point..the point was we work to better ourselves.. I will not disparage or look down on you because of your career or occupation, regardless of the pedestal you put yourself on you are no one..you could easily lose everything you have worked so hard for overnight…learn humility and just because people are not at the status you consider yourself to be in does not make them less than you. Say what will..you are one in a million
In reply to Gabrielle
“you could easily lose everything you have worked so hard for overnight”
This is unlikely, financially speaking. Smart people invest their money – and not all in the same place, or even the same markets. Everything is insured. Money is kept in different bank accounts in different banks.
This isn’t somebody who had a windfall and doesn’t know how to properly manage money who goes out and spends it all on a night in Vegas.
In reply to What a joke
Some “smart people” may not have the extra money to spare to invest it. Crazy fact – some people work paycheck to paycheck. Ignorant.
In reply to Someone
It’s highly unlikely smart people don’t have money because smart people go into professions that pay more, or manage their money in ways they CAN invest or save. Smart people don’t live paycheck to paycheck because that’s not a SMART thing to do.
In reply to Gabrielle
Oh believe me, I am very well off. I could never lose everything…not even half my wealth. I sure am much better than a uneducated waitress. Last night I took my lady out to an expensive Italian restaurant. We had reservations and my chauffeur drove us there and back . Our bill was close to $350 for the two of us and we were there for over 2 hours. I had the wait staff wait on us nonstop. It was a great night. I left no tip.
In reply to Zeus
“Uneducated waitress.” I am educated. I am your nurse, your child’s nurse, your mother or father’s nurse, and also your waitress. An education does not equal wealth. Being in healthcare I do not work for the money, I work for the patients. And sometimes the pay associated with these jobs isn’t adequate so I have to work an additional 20+ hours on the weekends despite my already 40+ hour work week. Ignorance is bliss.
In reply to Gabrielle
Only a girl as stupid as yourself would even say you could lose everything overnight. It is impossible for me to believe you are in college. I think you are a highschool dropout.
With investments overseen by financial advisers, and a balanced portfolio losing money proves difficult. Even if the market took a 50% drop it would just be a minor inconvenience. We also have investments not market related. This is called diversification.
In reply to $Bill
$Bill is right about how rich people keep getting richer by the way everything is invested. I have investments in so many areas. Since I work mega hours I only have 2 houses. A beautiful beach house and a mansion in the country. I buy alot of toys with my money. Own 8 luxury automobiles, two limousines, and a private jet…among other things. The point is that say the stock market takes a huge hit or an earthquake destroys both my properties at once. It is only minimal damage as I could earn that back in a matter of days. If a waitress has a flat tire, she struggles for weeks.
In reply to Gabrielle
A real job requires a college education. More complex higher paying careers require graduate level studies to phD degrees.
Then you need continuing education for breakthroughs and advancements in your field.
I tried to use little words so I didn’t confuse your simple high school dropout mind.
Of course you work hard. Unskilled jobs are punishment for not having a college degree. They are also meant to keep you poor and miserable your entire life.
In reply to $Bill
Good for you zeus..I don’t know your job so I cannot and will not compare. As for you bill, I expected you to insult and criticize me. I do have degrees in nutrition and excercise science… I’m still in school and I’m still bartending because it’s fun, hard work and rewarding. I’m assuming you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth so you never had to work an “unskilled job” to get you through school.. Did mommy and daddy just paid for anything and everything you desired. If you don’t want or agree with tipping someone who provides a service, then don’t take too much of their time. there are plenty of people who do appreciate the service and will tip.
In reply to Gabrielle
A degree in nutrition and exercise science. Good luck mopping up floors at the health club. Your degree is about as useful as underwater basket weaving.
It was a platinum spoon. Silver is cheap and tarnishes. Yes my parents paved the way for my future success. I have done the same for my children. My son graduated from Harvard. My daughter goes to Yale.
You will need to work as a bartender for the rest of your life to supplement your pathetic income. The service you speak of is nothing more than expected tasks of your unskilled job.
In reply to $Bill
Troll
In reply to Ell Torn
Given that he’s sticking with the theme and point of the article, regardless of how inflammatory the statements are, I’d have to say he’s not the troll. It’s people who come and repeatedly post crap about how they don’t make minimum wage despite the law (especially in reply to the bloody link that’s constantly posted) that are trolls.
In reply to What a joke
Na think they’re unfortunately just stupid. The greatest trick a toll ever played was having you think they’re not a troll but just an absolute cunt.
It’s a funny thread because it’s explicitly an American thing. Tipping isn’t so retarded anywhere else in the world.
In the UK and AUS a tip is generally given when you’ve had more personable or exceptional service. If you spend the whole night in a bar, get table service and act like an actual decent human being to your server the odds are they’ll pay close attention to how empty your glasses are getting and you’ll get speedier service than a cunt like $Bill, coked off his head talking about how he’s never had to work for anything in his life. Then I’d recommend a tip, but it’s never really expected.
In reply to Ell Torn
Actually he has repeatedly said that, despite having been raised in a wealthy family, he still built up what he has on his own. He’s also supportive of anyone who has worked hard to move up in the world. He may like pissing off the servers, but most people who have built up things in their lives do not have time for the “Poor me” crap constantly being spewed by servers in America.
And I do know about the rest of the world. Some Aussie was trying to say they made a ton of money from tips, but that’s really, really unlikely given AU’s view of tipping. Even when servers get tipped, it’s commonly only the change up to the next dollar there, except in the REALLY fancy restaurants, but even then maybe 50% of customers tip, and it’s not a huge thing if nobody does.
In Japan it’s actually insulting to tip.
In reply to What a joke
How can you make the point “in Japan it’s actually insulting to tip” as if that’s a valid argument while in America it is insulting not to tip? A bit hypocritical. And different cultures.
In reply to $Bill
Congratulations to your children they learned well! Don’t think because of education you are an exception. ? okay..it’s only part of my education I’m in school for physical therapy I look forward to meeting someone like you..you are in your late 50s? I’ll be more than happy to show you what taxing the body looks like. It won’t be sitting on your ass and reading. (forgive me for being mean) Some of us were not given the platinum spoon..and the service industry is NOT punishment! What you prefer as a solution? I understand why you have problems with tipping and why it might seem the guest, ,i.e. you, feel like you are being criticized for not tipping. I do agree with certain points, but you know that it not within the servers control how much they make per hour. It’s federal law to pay at least 2.13 per hour for states that don’t have minimum wage, for example Tennessee. Florida has minimum wage based on state law..Congratulations on having a life that some have to work VERY hard for. You are gifted in most eyes but, your arrogance and contemptible attitude is incredulous. I want to believe that you can’t be that cold and entitled. If that’s who you are, so be it. People that work in this field deserve respect just as you do.☺
In reply to $Bill
Copy and pasted for you to read also, my friend. Because I am educated. I am your nurse, your child’s nurse, your mother or father’s nurse, and also your waitress. An education does not equal wealth. Being in healthcare I do not work for the money, I work for the patients. And sometimes the pay associated with these jobs isn’t adequate so I have to work an additional 20+ hours on the weekends despite my already 40+ hour work week. Ignorance is bliss.
Anyone who “prefers buffets” deserves shat they get at the buffet.
In reply to Richie C
http://www.waldorfnewyork.com/dining/waldorf-brunch.html
The Waldorf Astoria is my favorite Sunday brunch. $125 per person.
In reply to $Bill
Bill$ you have already shown how pathetic your life is by continuing to troll. Here is a useful tip you weren’t taught in school, if you are going to troll so hard you should really learn how to encrypt your Internet better…. You are already being hacked you cancerous shill ;-)
In reply to Fuk u
Yeah, the guy with the name “Fuk u” commenting on an anti-tipping blog post in favor of tipping, and directly antagonizing another commenter, is calling that person the troll.
Pretty sure we know who the real troll is here.
In reply to What a joke
Well your name is ‘ what a joke’…The fuk u was directed towards the author, hate to break it but this is a troll article. You should read my original comment that brought $bill to life. The real lesson kids is don’t troll on unsecure threads like blogs be cause you never know what hackers may be bored and how skilled they are.
In reply to Fuk u
Yet you’re still not realizing you’re clearly the troll.
There are a lot of people who agree with this blog. Most of the world agrees with this blog, actually. Most of the world tips only for exceptionally good service (and only if they choose to), and even when they do it’s a tiny amount.
In reply to Fuk u
I use a VPN. You are a fool. The only thing you are qualified to hack, are weeds in your landscaping job. You are pathetic.
In reply to $Bill
Ha, overpriced and more style than substance? Money doesn’t buy taste unfortunately does it? hmmmm or maybe you’re just a troll clutching at straws.
In reply to Ell Torn
Overpriced? Have you eaten their food? The quality is amazing, and, since it’s a buffet, there is absolutely no problem with “substance.”
We’re not talking the difference between Buffalo Wild Wings and Hooters…
Also, I’m starting to think you don’t understand what exactly a troll is.
In reply to What a joke
Are you a troll too or just a $Bill fanboy? You seem to like to chime in on every comment.
In reply to Ell Torn
You are a sad jealous troll that lives in your parents basement playing video games and watching porn all day. You are even beneath a truck stop waitress. We can feel you parents shame.
In reply to $Bill
But there’s free wi-fi down here, my xbox rocks and I love me some porn, plus the fridge is always full. It’s true that I’ve been beneath the odd waitress, while you have to buy hookers, sorry, escorts (fancy hookers).
So much rage in you, stop being a cunt and you may get laid, might help. #justasuggestion #gettingcuntslaid
In reply to Ell Torn
It’s pretty clear the troll here is you. You don’t agree with the topic of the blog, you make comments that don’t further the discussion and only seek to antagonize, and you reply with personal criticisms that aren’t supported by evidence.
You’re not a new commenter who has been angered due to their inability to read, or understanding of laws, and you’ve seen everything the servers say disproven time and again, so it’s not like those of us who are here reiterating what has already been stated to those people who aren’t educated in reality. Zeus with his long hours working from the ground up, $Bill starting from a privileged status but still working to earn his way, and myself going from homeless to college grad with a high paying job. We are proof that you can come from any point and be successful, and that the solution isn’t whining for handouts from strangers for work you are already paid to do. Success comes from actually going out and earning it yourself.
The fact that $Bill makes vulgar statements and is insulting to servers doesn’t make him a troll. Especially on this blog. Hell, I’d almost consider him a motivator. You know what motivated me most when I went to Uni? The haters saying I couldn’t do it. Nothing is better motivation to improve yourself than the desire to prove them wrong.
In reply to What a joke
My days you like a lengthy post, gotta admit due to my inability to read I didn’t make it through your last post. I do however feel that you helped cure my insomnia. You’re a good fanboy, bless. #trollsunite
In reply to What a joke
Going from homeless to college graduate humbles me greatly. Then you earn a high paying career. It makes my accomplishments feel a lot smaller.
In reply to $Bill
I feel like where I came from is only important as a counterpoint to those people whining, “If you knew what it was like to be poor!” in a similar way to Zeus being a counterpoint to the, “Well, I work so hard!” people.
What’s really important is understanding that wealth comes from hard work and dedication. The beautiful thing about America is that the result can be the same for anyone, if they’re willing to put in the work.
In reply to What a joke
You should try the red velvet cake at the Waldorf Astoria. It is truly amazing. Save room at the buffet for it, you will be glad you did.
1. Of course servers are going to be polite to you, that’s their job – to give you a pleasurable dining experience. Its not their fault all you want is food, and that you appear to be anti-social. Rarely do servers act like as much of a kiss-ass as you seem to think.
2. That’s your problem because if there was no such thing as tipping, your meal would cost 20% more.
3. No, however I will most likely think you’re cheap/ a jerk or ignorant of the restaurant industry. I’ve legitimately made mistakes that were pretty bad, but usually the diner is still nice enough to tip – something that gives me hope for humanity.
4. See number 2. If you don’t care for the experience of dining in a restaurant and just want the food and don’t want to tip, you could order food to go. There is a to go team at most restaurants that get paid an hourly wage, you don’t have to tip them. However they usually work their ass off, so it would be nice if you at least tipped something.
5. Yes, it does. Money is made out of paper, which comes from trees. A 10% tip is awful. You’re really just cheap, and mean spirited. That money isn’t a favor, its well earned.
In reply to Collin Hannah
For 2 we did the math on it a while ago. Even if a server only had two tables to handle per hour (let’s say it’s slow) the difference is 5.12 an hour at Federal standard (assuming full tip credit). That’s $2.56 per table. If there are even just two people per table, that’s $1.23 per person split between their food and drink. That’s nowhere near a 20% increase in prices. That would be 20% if each person was only paying $6.15 for their entire meal.
And that’s ignoring the link that has been posted a hundred times in the comments regarding the minimum wage law for tips.
3. Calling somebody ignorant while using “you’re” in place of “your” doesn’t make you seem very smart. Speaking of ignorance, did you know America is not the end all of restaurants? Did you know that most of the world views our tipping practices as absurd at best? And I’m talking about the amount servers expect for tips, and that they’re expected at all. Most countries only tip for exceptionally good service, and even if they do it’s usually just the bill rounded up to the next dollar/euro/whatever.
4. Servers get paid minimum wage. It’s federal law. With or without tips, servers must receive minimum wage. If they do not receive enough in tips to make up the difference, the restaurant must pay the difference. Again, it’s the law. http://webapps.dol.gov/elaws/faq/esa/flsa/002.htm
Why are they paid? To wait on customers! It’s the entire reason they’re employed. Employed by the restaurant. Who pays them to do a job.
5. American paper money is made out of cotton and linen, neither of which grow on trees. Coins are various types of metal, which also do not grow on trees.
And somebody willing spending money to ensure the restaurant that employs you has a reason to stay open is not “cheap,” especially when the tab is over $100. If you think somebody is cheap for refusing to pay you to do a job you are already being paid to do, you’re equally as cheap for not paying the cashier at the store 20% of your grocery bill just for ringing you up.
In reply to What a joke
Ah, apologies on the your/you’re. I was reading up and down and skipping around and saw the your from your response in #2 as the you’re in #3. I retract that statement.
In reply to What a joke
That was an excellent response sir. Unfortunately it was wasted on a waitress with the intelligence of a goldfish.
In reply to $Bill
Money doesn’t buy class does it? Troll.
In reply to Collin Hannah
Let me tell you exactly what would happen if tipping was eliminated. Menu prices would not change at all. You are already paid federal minimum wage that is the law.
The wait staff turnover rate at any restaurant is always high because these people are lazy and irresponsible. The reason a lot of them don’t show up to work when they’re supposed to is because they make enough money to buy drugs and alcohol from tips they received the night before.
By removing tips from the equation, their paycheck will be a lot smaller. Now they can’t afford to miss work. There will be a huge glut of waiters and waitresses because the turnover rate is going to be a lot lower since they can’t afford to miss work.
Even at the lower pay rate people that wait tables will still wait tables. They are too stupid and lazy to do anything else. The restaurant will become more profitable because of a lower turnover rate.
Training monkeys to wait tables does cost the restaurant a little money. So even if they have to pay the full federal wage. Nothing will change for the restaurant because they’ll still be just as profitable as when tipping took place. Waiters and waitresses are a dime a dozen.
In reply to $Bill
Definitely a troll, this is trolling at it’s dankest. Stop pretending you’re rich, you’re just a salty douche that was fired for being unable to carry plates to tables and failed hard at picking up chicks. I can almost feel the sexual angst oozing out of your comments. I got you pegged, troll.
I agree that tipping shouldn’t be customary as it isn’t in a lot of other places.. But it is. Also I really don’t see why you don’t get take out food if you hate the experience? That’s why there is a to go option. There are plenty of others who like the interaction so much that they frequent places solely to enjoy this interaction. That’s why certain customers will request a particular server when they go to an establishment. I’ve been a server. I agree it’s not hard work and anyone can do it if they have the ability to be problem solvers and not socially inept. But I also don’t see how any server can complain about how much they make. I made really good money as a server. It didn’t matter that my checks were always less than 50$ and usually were nothing. It didn’t matter to me because my tips were so great I was able to make money and then some in order to also save. Corporate places Will most definitely make up the difference if you don’t make minimum wage. You just have to keep up with what you’re earning. You should do this anywhere you work because any employee at any job is at risk for this. At the end of the day: some customers just don’t tip. A good server will move on from this, go to the next table and give them the best service you can and take pride in your job. I’m not gonna bitch if one table doesn’t tip me because I know for every one person who doesn’t tip, there are 5 more people who will tip me over 20% for the same service. I’m not a server anymore. Personally, I tip when I go out but I don’t have any real qualms against people who don’t. My only suggestion to the blog poster is to order to go if you hate the interaction. That’s why the option is there. If you don’t oh well. I don’t care you don’t tip, maybe the next person will and I’d work just as hard for it.
In reply to Ezetz
Work every single job no matter what it may be to the fullest of my potential! Advice to servers: if you are in this business of hospitality simply for the tips and not for the rewarding experience of taking care of others to the best of your ability, then find a new job! It’s the moments where I got to meet the people at my tables and recieving things like crayon art from my young guests that matter to me. I’m not able to have kids. I love spending time with Them at my job. I loved learning about food and proper food etiquette. I love hospitality. Maybe it’s a southern thing? The tips were great but by no means are the guaranteed and I still firmly believe that someone who barely could afford their meal and work so hard deserve a chance to go out and be treated with respect (from me) so I don’t agree with if you can’t afford to tip stay home rant that I hear so many servers go on about. Treat every customer with respect and show them how attentive and hard working you can be. You may get tipped and you may not. I do what I love.
Can I just say…your an idiot. You obviously have money to tip. In France it’s required to tip, or else you can’t eat. They have the right idea. As a waitress I only get 5 dollars an hour and depend on tips. I’m only in college so I’m working on getting a house and my degree, and my car payments. Just because someone is a waitress doesn’t mean they’re stupid and uneducated. And I’m genuinely nice to my customers because I’m a nice person…Its people like you that think they are above everyone else. It’s people like you that make my job hard. It’s people like you that make me and others waitors feel like shit. So maybe you should change your attitude. You sound like a real jerk.
In reply to I’m more than just a waitress
If you’re going to call somebody an idiot, you may want to use the correct your/you’re.
The majority of the world either doesn’t tip at all, or only does if the service is exceptional. Even when they do, it’s a tiny amount (usually just the change to the nearest dollar). However, your understanding of the French system is a bit off. The service charge is a fee charged by the restaurant, and is paid to the restaurant. It is not a tip, and tipping (while acceptable) isn’t terribly common, especially because of the service charge. While the staff are paid out of the service charge, they do NOT get a percentage, just their regular pay, which is usually a salary. This means that French servers not only do not get a forced tip like you seem to think, they also get a specific amount of pay regardless of hours worked (although they may get docked pay if they are under an expected number of hours).
In the US you are guaranteed by law to receive minimum wage with or without tips. http://webapps.dol.gov/elaws/faq/esa/flsa/002.htm
If you do not receive the minimum wage with tips, your employer must make up the difference.
The fact that you are a college student, trying to buy a house, and/or making car payments is not not customer’s concern regardless of where you work. Waiting tables (and similar jobs) are intended for young people who want some job experience and a little extra spending money. They are not intended to be jobs you live off of. Buying a house with what you make at such a job should not even be a considerable option. This isn’t a matter of discrimination, this is simply a factor of the level of job (like if somebody said they were saving their lemonade stand money for a house). If an unskilled job in the service industry paid enough to not only live off of, but buy a freaking house, there would be no reason for most people to put in the time and money to go to college, nor try to get a better job.
In reply to What a joke
With all the research you’ve done I’m surprised at your level of ignorance. Despite the norms for other countries, I hate to break it to you but we’re in America, bud. It’s actually quite comical because I can’t help but think of- hypothetically speaking of course- some server from a different country where tipping isn’t the norm trying to prove why they do deserve a tip system. They can do their research as well and find that America in fact culturally tips and in rare cases some do not, the same as the above person trying to say other countries do tip. You are the minority. The majority of Americans know that if they eat out, they aren’t required, but are culturally encouraged to tip. If you don’t want to tip, don’t go out. Your entitlement scares me.
In reply to Someone
You’re joking, right? The comment you’re replying to is a response to somebody saying what they do in other countries, so my response is relevant to that.
The entire point is that the majority of the world thinks the American system is bullshit, and I can guarantee you that even if the “majority” of Americans tip (there’s no evidence this is true), that they agree with it. There’s actually research and many different classes (and even races) are not regular tippers.
Hell, even if you try to find anything to back up what you said about Americans tipping, you’ll get hundreds of sites about why we should abolish tipping. And this is beyond the fact that you’ve offered absolutely no legitimate reason TO tip besides saying, “This is America!”
In reply to What a joke
I mean, you’ve already given a reason for tipping which was your delivery driver, correct? I can’t exactly remember if it was you or someone who commented that. I just find the whole, “in other countries tipping is insulting, not established, bla bla” to be a bit hypocritical. Since you’re going against the norm here, going against the norm there would mean tipping and therefore result in insults.
In reply to Someone
I actually stated that I give the delivery driver a “tip” because they wouldn’t normally come to my house since it’s out of normal delivery areas. It’s simply a matter of incentive, and it’s certainly not a valid reason to tip a waiter/waitress who is already being paid to do their job (the driver isn’t being paid to come all the way to my house, and actually is losing money via gas to do so), and isn’t making a special exception to the “rules” to do it.
I also feel you don’t really understand what the term “hypocrisy” actually means, given that your usage of it doesn’t exactly make sense.
Going against the “norm” in America is pretty normal. Unless you’re anti-gay marriage, anti-interracial marriage, pro-segregation, anti-women’s rights, and pro-slavery.
Are you a bigot, Someone?
Even the extremely liberal Huffington Post has an article about why tipping should be abolished, even if it’s for different reasons than stated here (and doesn’t understand how tip credit works, like most people): http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/17/abolish-tipping_n_5991796.html
http://webapps.dol.gov/elaws/faq/esa/flsa/002.htm
You stupid bitch. Since you don’t know how much money you make per hour you’re too stupid to go to college. Federal minimum wage is $7.25 an hour. Not five dollars an hour that you claim to be making you stupid bitch.
You just proved to us how stupid waitresses are.
In reply to $Bill
Key word there bud is “Federal” due to the fact that state laws differ. All whilst calling this other commentor a “stupid bitch” maybe some more research may come in handy. Or do I just sense some hostility? Is it really worth the exchange of terrible names? This subject must hit close to home.
In reply to Someone
Federal law takes precedence over state law, moron, and Federal law even states that in cases where there are state laws covering the topic, the laws which benefit the EMPLOYEE more are the ones to be applied.
In reply to What a joke
Lol the hostility on this thread primarily by those opposed to tipping is actually very interesting and must correlate with the mindset and entitlement. Hmm.
In reply to Gbh10
Compared to the people who are threatening to strangle and beat people who are against tipping? Yeahhhhhhh.
Or how about instead of complaining that you “only make such and such” instead maybe phrase it: as a waiter/waitress I rely on tipping customers because if my tips do not equal or exceed minimum wage, I have to file a claim with my employer and eventually be reimbursed for my time working. Which still would not make ANYONE personally responsible for leaving a tip. As previously stated: you’re not wrong, you’re just an asshole :)
In reply to Ezetz
What’s really weird is technically it isn’t supposed to work like that. In the US the reduced pay is based on what’s called the tip credit. Officially it works like this:
The employer is allowed to reduce the amount of a tipped employee’s wage by the amount of the tips, not to reduce the employee’s wage below $2.13 per hour.
The law also notes notes that if state laws apply as well, whatever favors the employee more applies (e.g. higher wages).
This means that the full amount of the tips for the pay period should be accounted for at the time the pay is calculated, and pay should be adjusted accordingly at that point.
This is especially important because there are circumstances in which the tip credit may not be applied at all, like when the total amount of tips is below $30 for the month (I think, I can’t verify this right now). If this were the case, the employer would not be allowed to claim the tip credit for that emloyee regardless of amount of tips they DID make.
In reply to What a joke
Hmm interesting to know! It’s crazy to me that I worked a serving job and didn’t even know about most of this stuff til after! You live and you learn :)
In reply to Ezetz
What a joke: do you personally tip when you go out? Obviously you disagree with the tipping norm but just wondering if you adhere to it. Sorry if you previously posted, I’m on my phone and it’s hard to check that far back lol
In reply to Ezetz
Mr. (What a joke) does not tip. I do not tip the hired help either. Since they took the job and agreed to the pay they are adequately compensated. I don’t pay a person extra money for doing their job.
In reply to $Bill
Do you run your business with that mindset? Your employees must find you very considerate.
In reply to Ezetz
I live somewhat in the middle of nowhere and don’t tend to eat out here, so I largely avoid the situation in the first place. I do dine out when I travel for work, which is why I know a lot about how things work in different countries.
I have mentioned I do tip the delivery driver where I live on the rare occasion I order it, but it’s mostly just a bribe to give them incentive to drive all the way out to where I live, since I’m out of most delivery areas.
Well next time you eat out, you take it to go. People like you are useless. 3 million sperms and this one made it out. Wasted life!!!!
In reply to BOODA
Yeah, we should just fire all the wait staff in America and solve the “problem” since they apparently can’t be arsed to do the job they’re paid by their employer to do, and anyone who objects to paying them extra money to do just that should just get take away, according to you. Despite the fact the majority of the world thinks that American tipping practices are insane, and even most Americans wouldn’t tip if they weren’t terrified of being shamed for it. Although, I’ll note that more and more people are agreeing with the diners who didn’t tip for whatever reason, and the backlash against servers who whine about not getting tips is getting stronger. Especially since the few “big” stories ended up being lies from people seeking attention and crowdfunding.
In reply to BOODA
You are just a typical example of a waiter/waitress that feels entitled to extra money for doing a job you are already paid for. All you are to me is a simple conveyor belt with a heart beat.
A grown man that does what you do for a living should be ashamed of himself. Waiting tables was never meant to be a grown-up job. No tip for you dumbass. I will also enjoy ordering you around during dinner.
In reply to $Bill
I wonder what you’d have to say if I thought about you as a conveyor belt with a heart beat where I work? As a nurse. While I’m a server on the weekends. The arrogance astounds me.